Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Stop comparing it to the original, and it's no worse, or no better than any other C Ticket.>> No. It really is terrible. It's a microcosm of a lot of the rides they've built in the 2000s. Terrible, childish writing filled with immature jokes.
Originally Posted By avimagine Wait you mean you can add, not just addition by subtraction? Could you imagine if Walt knew that? What Disneyland would have been like during his tenure?
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Nothing "wrong" with that. Some of us would rather see SWSA left in place AND the new mine ride. << Wouldn't that probably be a little redundant?
Originally Posted By brotherdave Not at all. One could be a family ride that tells the story of Snow White, the other could be a mildly thrilling roller coaster that just shows the Dwarfs working in their Diamond Mine with some neat effects thrown in. However, it sounds as if their going to try to tell the Snow White story in a shortened format. Still good, but both would be ideal. As DLandDug said, Dumbo has two separate attractions as well as Alice in Wonderland at Disneyland. Why can't the Magic Kingdom have two Snow White rides???
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper I love how people are saying Dumbo and Alice have two rides in Disneyland, and comparing it to the situation with SWSA and SDMT, as if they're comparable at all. Neither of the Dumbo rides attempt to tell the story of the movie. And even then, I doubt the vast majority of the guests know Casey Jr. comes from Dumbo. And then the Alice rides, one tells the story and one is just a flat ride. But SDMT seems to tell some of the story of Snow. No need for two rides like that.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 Kevin on MiceAge is posutlating that with the footprint of the Mine Train site that the coaster will be twice the length of Barnstormer. If that is true than this will be a short ride. I am also a little cautious about calling this a coaster in the sense of a Space Mountain type coaster. With it being situated in the center of the FL expansion I think it will be more a kiddie coaster than a true coaster. I am not as excited as many about this because I am afraid that this could be a real let down if it is short and has only one or two short indoor scenes. I am also one of the people who think that a redoing of Snow White is a better option over the meet and greet. While I am not a fan of m&g's personally, I see the value for families in them. To me they should be more of a plussing in the park rather than an attraction.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<If that is true than this will be a short ride>> It will be a good 3 minutes. From what I've been told the ride has a VERY interesting track layout. <<With it being situated in the center of the FL expansion I think it will be more a kiddie coaster than a true coaster.>> Well it will be fairly tame. But it'll be a heck of a lot of fun from everything I've heard about it.
Originally Posted By DlandDug I really doubt a roller coaster, even a tame one geared to kids, can "tell" a story in the same manner as a slow moving dark ride. Not saying it isn't possible, just that it doesn't seem likely. Brotherdave in #224 expresses it perfectly. No reason these two attractions need to be redundant.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> I really doubt a roller coaster, even a tame one geared to kids, can "tell" a story in the same manner as a slow moving dark ride. Not saying it isn't possible, just that it doesn't seem likely. << Can we honestly get a show of hands for how many of you would be able to make any sense out of the Snow White story based strictly on the ride? I'm guessing no one! Face it, Fantasyland dark rides don't do a good job telling the story, if you haven't seen the movies they're based on. So I couldn't care less if the Mine Train doesn't attempt to cover the entire Snow White story. If I wanted that, I'd watch the movie. I'd prefer that the ride simply attempt to capture some of the film's atmosphere. >> Brotherdave in #224 expresses it perfectly. No reason these two attractions need to be redundant. << Right, because two dark rides fifty feet apart based on the same movie wouldn't be at all redundant. Maybe we could get a kiddy version of Song of the South, too. While we're at it how about another version of Peter Pan's Flight--how about Captain Hook's Adventure? Nope, not redundant at all!
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I'd prefer that the ride simply attempt to capture some of the film's atmosphere.<< Which is exactly what others here (including me) are saying. There's a lot of atmosphere in Snow White (Or Alice. Or Dumbo. Or Peter Pan.) The notion that one attraction is plenty is just silly. Especially if they are very different types of attractions, as in a Dark Ride and a Spinner (Alice). Or a Spinner and a Coaster (Dumbo). ) Or even a Dark Ride and a Coaster (Snow White). That's all.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Having fun in Alice's teacups&the Alice Adventures dark ride=SWSA and 7dwarfs mine train ride. Explain the rationale against this. And why is it alright to have Prince Eric's castle right behind Cinderella's castle?
Originally Posted By DlandDug P.S. >>Face it, Fantasyland dark rides don't do a good job telling the story...<< ...which is the reason I put the word "tell" in quotes: "" "".
Originally Posted By sjhym333 What makes you think that it is important that an attraction tell the story of the movie?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Having fun in Alice's teacups&the Alice Adventures dark ride=SWSA and 7dwarfs mine train ride. Explain the rationale against this. >> They're completely different experiences. Two different ride systems. Whereas the "coaster" will be mostly indoors with scenes. Why have two dark rides right next to each other with the same theme? <<And why is it alright to have Prince Eric's castle right behind Cinderella's castle?>> Why wouldn't it be alright?
Originally Posted By leobloom >> ...which is the reason I put the word "tell" in quotes: "" "". << Must've been someone else who was claiming that SWSA does an exceptional job of telling the story of the movie. >> What makes you think that it is important that an attraction tell the story of the movie? << Not sure who that question is addressed to. But several of the people crying about the closure of SWSA have made that point. The less exposition, the better IMO.
Originally Posted By Manfried Dark ride attractions should not just tell the story of the movie. If they do, they fail. Frankly Snow White has been a failure for a long time on both coasts. And in California just look at the Pinocchio attraction. Big failure. Why? Because it is too literal. One does not feel like the ride and what you see mesh together at all.
Originally Posted By avimagine I think it's the witches of morva that likes the chronological story telling of the WDW version. More attractions that are rides is better. Especially if you can make the new one a D, but why do we need to lose a C? Thats 3 more minutes out of the humidity or rain Look do we really need 3.5 baths, for a family of 4? Do we really need voice control and physical controls? But if you can have it why not? Also if they increase the actual ride count enough you just added another day to stay on property and one less day in other Orlando attractions. Wasn't that part of the rationale of Meal Plans and "Free" Transportation? Wasn't part of the reason Walt wanted so much land so you could add more without having to always replace? (Unless something truly could be improved with replacement) While SWSA may not be cutting edge, it's far from utterly horrible either. Also there is a reasonable contingent that doesn't go every year. So for many it's not like they've experienced this C Ticket till they got sick of it.
Originally Posted By avimagine You know what I think The Execs don't always need multi million dollar bonuses Some of that money could be diverted to say Long time customer retention. Rides do that. I'm pretty sure there are some parks that pretty much exist only for their rides (not theming, resorts etc). I have yet to see a primarily Meet & Greet, Merchandise driven park be successful. You can meet Wally and Torpedo Man! Come to Alaska. We have great 15 minute films you can line up for 2 hours to see too now! Admission starts at just $65 for Junior Space-Patrollers! Add almost you can eat dining (limit of 3 coupons) to your room for just $79 per person per night. Yep it'll fly.
Originally Posted By Lee hisownself >>What % of the floorspace would the meet and greet occupy?<< 100%. Between the queue and M&G rooms, it will occupy the entire space. As for the coaster, yeah, it has a nice layout and looks to be about 3mins. It won't be intense, though. Perhaps a tad more intense than Barnstormer, but nowhere near Space Mtn.
