Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<For me it's not about whether you really, REALLY love SWSA. It's about the poor reasoning behind it's removal. (Since we're putting in a Mine Train, we'll take out a Dark Ride!)>> That's not the reasoning for it at all. It's "We're building a new ride, and it's cheaper to just put the characters here than making a new building."
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>That kind of talk is religious level weird, IMO.<< For me it's just a matter of passion. What others get all excited about may not be for me, but it isn't necessary to treat them badly. (Secretly feeling they're pretty weird is just fine, though.)
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>It's "We're building a new ride, and it's cheaper to just put the characters here than making a new building."<< Uh huh. And THAT'S deplorable.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<There's plenty of room in the MK's FL to add a Meet 'n Greet for those darling princesses. Let the MK's ride count go UP.>> Exactly!! In fact, they could have used some of the area in the new circus area for it. I certainly wouldn't have cared if they replaced the Tinkerbell stuff with a Princess meet-and-greet. I wasn't interested in Pixie-land, or whatever they were calling it, I'm not interested in The Circus, and I don't care for Meet-and-Greets - so I would have been perfectly fine with using that space for that. As for SWSA - I'm also cool with them shutting it down - they just should have replaced it with another ride instead.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> For me it's not about whether you really, REALLY love SWSA. It's about the poor reasoning behind it's removal. (Since we're putting in a Mine Train, we'll take out a Dark Ride!) << Holy cow. This conversation has just become an endless repetition. >> As for SWSA - I'm also cool with them shutting it down - they just should have replaced it with another ride instead. << They are...the Mine Train. Hokie, are you the only other voice of reason in this discussion?
Originally Posted By avimagine You know though theres also the cost of ride removal, I doubt Pixie Hallow in addition instead of replacing SWSA would be that much more expensive. Even if SWSA is hokey when it's there, there's a greater chance of it becoming a different dark ride. Once it's M&G it'll probably stay M&G it's not like they don't have space for it. Besides there are guests that also like rides, M&G is actually a poor return for the park guest. Also Princesses appeal to just the younger girls mainly. Whereas SWSA is family oriented. If we're talking about cheesy as well, maybe they should remove the value resorts? Or at least you know upgrade them to 3 star hotel material. Maybe things like oh say indoor hallways, more storage (considering the amount of families and teams that use them)
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Uh huh. And THAT'S deplorable>> Sure. I'm not denying that. But, I'm also not going to complain about the new FLE plans when comparing them to the old ones. I'll take the new over what was originally announced any day of the week.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> More attractions that are rides is better. Especially if you can make the new one a D, but why do we need to lose a C? Thats 3 more minutes out of the humidity or rain << Maybe the new ride will make the old one look...old? And obsolete? I'm just guessing, here. But if MK had kept SWSA and the Mine Train, people would have complained, "Two rides for the same movie? That's overkill! Why not build a ride for _(their favorite movie without a ride)_ instead?!" And furthermore, if the new ride is as good as it is supposed to be, as soon as it opened, fanbois would start saying, "Oh God, the new ride makes the old SWSA look like an outdated piece of garbage. How long until they can close down that embarrassment to Fantasyland?!"
Originally Posted By David S Thanks for the support, DlandDug! No, I am not 5, far from it. But I do try to access my Inner Child when I visit the parks. I am not ashamed to admit that I have an Inner Child and a Sensitive side, even though many people (especially males) are apparently too "cool" or "hip" to admit this. I consider it a Blessing that I can feel this stuff so deeply and earnestly, especially after going through something like "Katrina" which could turn even the gentlest, most beautiful souls into bitter, jaded, and hardened ones. I can't stress how relieved I was to eventually feel all of that wash away from my consciousness, and have the Magical, unjaded, innocence of the "pixie dust" start to come back. Truly a Blessing. And yes, I cry during Wishes. Almost Every Single Time. At minimum, goosebumps. And I am extremely PROUD of this!
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <,I'll take the new over what was originally announced any day of the week.>> For me, they're really not all that different. The new Mine Train ride doesn't really hold all that much appeal to me. Sure, it's better than a few meet-and-greet - which I never would have done, but really not all that exciting. I personally would have preferred some new dark rides.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Hokie, are you the only other voice of reason in this discussion?>> I don't know. i don't think I've ever been called a voice of reason before, haha. <<Besides there are guests that also like rides>> No crap. <<M&G is actually a poor return for the park guest.>> Explain. <<Also Princesses appeal to just the younger girls mainly.>> Key word is mainly. And even then, they are popular enough to require a permanent indoor meeting place. I don't like it, and there's no way in hell I'm gonna wait in that line till I have kids, but it's a fact. A fact that too many Disney fans try to forget. <<Whereas SWSA is family oriented.>> Is it? I certainly never wanted to go on it when I was a kid. Neither did my dad. Heck my mom wasn't even a big fan of it. And it was still pretty scary, even after the change. There's a reason it's closing: It was unpopular compared to the other attractions in Fantasyland. <<Or at least you know upgrade them to 3 star hotel material. Maybe things like oh say indoor hallways, more storage >> If only they would do that!
Originally Posted By David S >That kind of talk is religious level weird, IMO.<< Nothing "religious" or "weird" about it. I don't "worship" WDW or the characters like a religion or anything. I'm just a highly sensitive person, and feel things very deeply, that's all. It is very easy for me to empathize when I watch movies and such, and feel the same emotions the protagonists feel. So I like Happy Endings. Feeling Warm and Fuzzy over a Happy Ending is not the same thing as a "religion", and I would suspect that the only people who could find this "weird" are perhaps people out of touch with their own emotions and sensitive side.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>...I would suspect that the only people who could find this "weird" are perhaps people out of touch with their own emotions and sensitive side.<< Preach it!
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<A fact that too many Disney fans try to forget.>> No one has ignored this - they just suggested building it somewhere else. I don't care if it costs Disney more money - I'm pretty sure they can afford it.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<No one has ignored this - they just suggested building it somewhere else. I don't care if it costs Disney more money - I'm pretty sure they can afford it.>> *facepalms* And I agree with you. Everyone agrees with that. But Disney isn't gonna do it. They're not gonna spend the money when they don't have to. And as I've said, I'm gonna take the second announced version of the FLE over the first any day. It actually has something to get excited about.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> So I like Happy Endings. Feeling Warm and Fuzzy over a Happy Ending is not the same thing as a "religion", and I would suspect that the only people who could find this "weird" are perhaps people out of touch with their own emotions and sensitive side. << David, you gotta cool down, man. Mickey and Bob are gonna pixiegasm if you keep this up. We got it. You're sentimental. More power to ya.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<But Disney isn't gonna do it. They're not gonna spend the money when they don't have to.>> And your point? Are we not allowed to complain just because they won't do it? <<And as I've said, I'm gonna take the second announced version of the FLE over the first any day.>> And as I said - they're both about equal for me, and none of them lives up to the potential of what WDI is actually capable of.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> I don't know. i don't think I've ever been called a voice of reason before, haha. << EE will probably read that I called you a voice of reason and spit out his coffee.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> And your point? Are we not allowed to complain just because they won't do it? << Complain all you want. But pick your battles, too. As Hokie said, the second version of FLE at least has two new rides instead of one. And it leaves more room for future expansion.
