Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>There's a difference between enjoying things(I happen to enjoy the vast majority of things at Disney) and getting "Warm and Fuzzy, moving goosebump MAGICAL feeling". That kind of talk is religious level weird, IMO.<<<< How's that weird? It's nostalgia. It's emotion. Makes you feel good. I agree with him... there are certain moments in rides and shows when you just go "WOW!". For me? It's always been the planetarium in SSE. Or the globe opening up in RoE. Or the "welcome back scene" in Splash Mountain. And even the sight of fireworks busting over the castle. It's a engineered archetypical "Disney" moment. There's nothing wrong with that. Here... How about in UniBoi terms? That time when we all walked into Hogsmeade, saw Hogwarts, and all stopped dead in our tracks. That's the feeling of thematics. I can't exactly say that SWSA's ending did that for me, but I certainly know what David is referring to.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>And yes, I cry during Wishes. Almost Every Single Time. At minimum, goosebumps. And I am extremely PROUD of this!<<< That's my line. (Not really, though I do enjoy the show immensely, to the chagrin of some Spirits that can't wrap their head around the fact that though sappy, it's still a nice show... ;-) )
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>As Hokie said, the second version of FLE at least has two new rides instead of one. And it leaves more room for future expansion.<<< You really think TDO will replace the MGs with a new ride? Or build more? Leo... Sniff the Quail Tile Bathrooms and wake up! LOL They will think that FLE is great, perfect as is, and it'll draw in guests. Once it does that, it's DONE. Unless there is a radical change in managment or their way of thinking. Which would be lovely.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Cue the tinkling fairy noise. (The Disney version of organ music.) I think two Snow White attractions is one too many. Instead of ruminating and throwing everyone's selves onto the funeral pyre of a done decision, start offering up prayers that the expansion creates a decent bump in attendance and that WDW management starts looking at new ways to rejuvenate the parks. Like better sponsorship deals. Especially at EPCOT and really especially at World Showcase.<<<< Dude... We HAVE to stop agreeing. ;-)
Originally Posted By brotherdave I still think the existing SWSA should remain a dark ride of some sort, whether it remains Snow White gets redone to something else like Tangled/Rapunzel, Pinocchio, etc. Put the princesses somewhere else that doesn't require the loss of a ride. BTW, Leo, did you hear that the restrooms next to Peter Pan might be moved across the way where the Skyway station sits??? I read somewhere they may use the existing restroom space for an interactive queue for Peter Pan.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ Yep. The end of the Quail Tiles. Now THAT would be a HUGE loss...
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<I read somewhere they may use the existing restroom space for an interactive queue for Peter Pan.>> Oh lord, another one? Are people really that in need of constant entertainment these days that they can't relax and stand in a queue for 20-40 minutes without going crazy? Of course, I will admit that the Peter Pan queue has become almost unbearable thanks to Fast Pass. It used to be in continuous motion, so even though it took long, you still felt like you were getting there. (Same with Space Mountain too.) Now, you stand there for a while, move a little, and stand some more. I really can't understand why ANYONE waits for that ride - I only ever go if I have a FastPass.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""Are people really that in need of constant entertainment these days that they can't relax and stand in a queue for 20-40 minutes without going crazy?"" If that is what TDO has decided beacause THEY think that's what the GUESTS are thinking then.....YES. TDO clairvoincy + WDI vanity projects= Next-Gen Queue. Hence why NO OTHER MK ON EARTH is getting this.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<Hence why NO OTHER MK ON EARTH is getting this>> Is is strange that this only seems to be happening at WDW. I really don't have a problem with these things, but it just seems like an odd thing for Disney to be spending money on. There are SO MANY problems at WDW that need to be addressed, and yet, they spend money to "fix" something that doesn't really need fixing. How about taking that money and putting it into actually up-keeping the attractions to their former standards? And, of course, all this new interactive stuff is just more things that will break - and then be neglected for months on end by TDO management...
Originally Posted By Lee hisownself >>And 3 mins? Really? I'm hoping for at least 5, with the indoor scenes...<< Nah. The ride isn't going to slow down that much for the show scenes. They only have six trains, each holding 16 guests. No way you can have a 5min ride time and not have a capacity disaster.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Well if there are 6 trains, then they will need to be out on the track for a while while the other ones load, before they can return to the station. As an example, DL's Space Mountain has one of the shortest dispatch times around (and a similar size, with 12 guests per train), at 20 seconds. Since this ride will be primarily families that may take longer to load, let's say that the minimum dispatch time will be 25-30 sec (though in reality it will likely be closer to 45). That means that for all 6 trains to run, the ride will need to be nearly 3 minutes long, just to get them all through the station. Add in the extra time for break zones and things like that, and the ride should easily be over 3 minutes, which is about the same as Big Thunder. I'm not sure how they'll be able to fit it all in that space (which is no bigger than the Mermaid building's footprint), or if they will even be able to run all 6 trains at once, but it looks like there may be a little more time spent on the attraction that initially thought.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Well of course they will run this at full capacity in the beginning months so everybody will have warm happy fuzzy warm feelings. Even you online fellas. I can not tell you how many early morns walking rapid pace all the way back to Screamin' or Toy Story and yeah Space Mnt only to have it Not Open Yet It has occurred so many times with TSMM I don't even bother to ride it. SO we are already being honest about the new interactive queues failing to work and being neglected. Gosh how dependable are your own electronics. Ever been frustrated with technology? How happy are we going to be because the attraction is down due to technical difficulties along with all the other maintenance issues.I have never seen anybody utilize SM interactive queues! Now if they wanted to insert slot machines along the q-lines...everybody would be happy.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> BTW, Leo, did you hear that the restrooms next to Peter Pan might be moved across the way where the Skyway station sits??? I read somewhere they may use the existing restroom space for an interactive queue for Peter Pan. << How could they?! The park will be ruined!! My therapist is going to hear about this!
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Now, you stand there for a while, move a little, and stand some more. I really can't understand why ANYONE waits for that ride - I only ever go if I have a FastPass. << Ditto. And the Winnie the Pooh queue is pretty bad when FP is busy, too.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> I really can't understand why ANYONE waits for that ride - I only ever go if I have a FastPass<<< I only ride during MVMCP. Can't bear that queue in June....
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Nah. The ride isn't going to slow down that much for the show scenes.<<< I'd normally have doubts about this, but after seeing how you can see ALL of a show scene in Potter in about 30 secs, I'm not too worried. Still... I would be happier if it were a tad slower. Mor chance for details and AAs.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>And the Winnie the Pooh queue is pretty bad when FP is busy, too.<<< Not since the new queue was added.
Originally Posted By David S >>Right on David. I do not agree with your tastes, I like my Disney dark, as do my kids (thankfully the DLP version of Snow White is dark and we love it). But I do respect your right to opinion. But I am annoyed at a dark ride being gutted for a bunch of meet and greets when there are many other options for location for them.>> Thanks for the support, Davewasbaloo. I completely agree that there are better locations for the Meet and Greet, rather than ripping out the infrastructure of a classic FL dark ride (which could tell another story, if they didn't want Snow White). >>How's that weird? It's nostalgia. It's emotion. Makes you feel good. I agree with him... there are certain moments in rides and shows when you just go "WOW!". For me? It's always been the planetarium in SSE. Or the globe opening up in RoE. Or the "welcome back scene" in Splash Mountain. And even the sight of fireworks busting over the castle. It's a engineered archetypical "Disney" moment. There's nothing wrong with that.>> Thank you also for the support, EPCOT Explorer. I agree with all of your examples, especially the finale scene of Splash Mountain! Which is able to conjure up this feeling even more with the "Welcome Home Brer Rabbit" sign intact, so I was glad to see it returned a few years ago after a one year absence! Sometimes, "little things" can make a big difference! The planetarium scene in SSE is also an iconic WDW "goosebump moment". I have to say this worked even better for me with the Irons narration, when the reveal of the Earth was synched perfectly with the line "Spaceship Earth". I also wanted to mention several pages ago that I agree with your take on Imagination. The first version was my favorite and I would be BLOWN AWAY if it was ever restored. However, I consider the current version a MAJOR improvement over the second, and I too am very thankful for the return of Figment and his wonderful "One Little Spark" song, which bring a much needed dose of whimsy and charm back to the pavilion.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Not since the new queue was added. << You mean the line has more to look at/more distractions, I assume? Certainly looks like an improvement, but I'm still going to take my chances with FP next time I ride it. Dunno if I want a magical headache from the noisemakers that were added to the queue. And on a related note, are the Tigger bounce pads still there? As soon as I saw a video clip of those things, I was predicting they would be replaced.
