Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Also, in a digital world posting comments and concerns online should be relevant enough. Just how many posts does one have to make about a non functioning Yeti before the "world" wakes up?>> Probably quite a few when you go past the thing so fast you don't really see if it is working or not. Yes, I fully realize that it is not working. No, I don't really care. And although I look every time, I've yet to see the infamous "bird on a stick".
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom The disco ball is still there for the world to see. Also, the bigger point here isn't that Disney management cut back on the WDW parks. The bigger discussion is that Disney management cut back on the WDW parks, while never stopped construction on DVCs at WDW, building several billion dollar ships, a resort in Hawaii, buying Pixar, Lucas Films, Marvel Comics, while spending obscene amounts of money creating the Pirate movies, as well as such bombs as John Carter and Mars needs moms. You know things are bad at the WDW when folks on the West Coast start complaining about WDW features increasingly being neglected, underfunded as well as abandonded like Pleasure Island.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Different business units. What one does has little to do with the other. If anything the only justified complaint would be that Disney spent a ton on money on DCA while ignoring WDW. And I'm not about to complain about that. DCA needed the help more.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Different business units. What one does has little to do with the other. If anything the only justified complaint would be that Disney spent a ton on money on DCA while ignoring WDW. And I'm not about to complain about that. DCA needed the help more.>> And I agree with you. I want to see the Disney Company expanding. However, Disney management allocated ( and has now spent ) over a billion dollars over the past couple of years on Next Gen, which has directly impacted WDW, with very little impact elsewhere within the Disney Company. Meanwhile, some WDW resort restaurants have permantly closed, others run on permanently reduced hours, WDW employees have layed off, concessions have been sold off to outside vendors. The WDW parks have lanquished for years. And apparently, that hasn't been relevant. Until now, when the Disney fan demigod are telling us it is now relevant. Also, I would never tell someone not to go to WDW, or what they should do with their money. I'm not asking for a ban of WDW parks. I don't think I or others should be writing hate mail to WDW management. I just want to see things improve in the parks and elsewhere on the WDW property.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I do agree that at this point the massive spending on Next Gen seems to be badly misplaced. What has Almost Next Gen gotten us? Fast Pass, the DDP, Interactive Queues and overpriced Photos on the Web. Who needs more of that crap?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I'm not a germ-o-phobe but those seats in Carousel of Progress, and the stained carpet, looked far worse shape than those on BART." I live here too and I thought the exact same thing when I saw the photos.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Disneyland is in a somewhat better situation since many of their guests are frequent visitors who have a true love of the history and legacy of the parks. Not so at WDW. I'm not saying things couldn't be better, because they certainly could be." DLR has its share of slobby visitors, and don't forget that not so long ago DL was also falling apart to the extent that there was at least one fatality because of poor or improper maintenance. "I remembering noticing during my first visits how amazingly clean all the restrooms were. Now I keep in mind my list of which ones are usually good and which ones to avoid." That's all I needed to read to know that I will not be going to WDW next year. That's ridiculous.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<That's all I needed to read to know that I will not be going to WDW next year. That's ridiculous.>> Yes... the one to the left of Spaceship Earth in Epcot as you head out of the park is one of the worst. It seems to get heavy use at closing as everyone knows it is about the last one you will run into. It is almost ALWAYS short on paper products and clogged with litter at closing time. The time that really told me Disney had fallen off the cliff was when the Mens room stunk like an outhouse and there were poop-filled undies in one of the stalls.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Management's line of think likely is, the number of guests that look down to the ground and see scuf marks or look up and see cracks or water marks are so minimal it doesn't register with the number of guests that don't notice it. Not saying it's right, and something like the CoP which runs what half the year could easily be fixed. Unless it's their way of saying it's time to let it go.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>there were poop-filled undies in one of the stalls<< I'm sorry about that, but where else should I have left them?
Originally Posted By Blufusion12 I'm not advocating anyone being mean to anyone just for me till they offer what I pay for as far as whatI pay for my dollar.For me that means not going back till things improve. I have other things that I want to do and Disney for me has gotten enough of my money for years and I got what I expected for my money. But there is more in my life than Disney. If it good for you then go. But I have been so many times . They just have not offered enough for me to go back.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Another thing that doesn't make sense to me is you two venues at the Wonders of Life Pavallion remain permanently walled off but in pristine condition. Far better condition that how the CoP looked in those pics. I had the opportunity to enjoy The Making of Me. Other than the fact that the movie is dated, the entire theater looked great! Why is it that some attractions at WDW are pristine and ubber well kept, and others are deteriorating?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I enjoyed the Making of Me a couple years ago, while it was briefly open. I got pics! And the place looks great.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I can't remember the last time I saw "The Making of Me" at Epcot but I still enjoy the play-at-home version. ;-)
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "I seriously doubt anyone is complaining at City Hall - except maybe the major fans like us. For normal guests, I'd imagine it's still about the whole day experience - and I doubt they notice these things too much." I was just there and didn't notice any of this stuff.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I was just there and didn't notice any of this stuff.> That's the thing. By and large you have to be looking for it, and most people don't (me included). The question is how long can it go until it becomes noticeable by everyone? That's why DCA got the big bucks. Virtually everyone could see that there wasn't much "there" there.
Originally Posted By Blufusion12 I agree with all what is being said here. But I think Disney has out priced them self for the common person. Ticket prices are so high for what they offer as well. I have stayed at many hotels and Im lucky I have the advantage of staying at Marriott at a 3rd of what there rooms are . JW Marriott last time I stayed at the one near Sea World for 4 night cost me around $60.00 a night for a $300.00 dollar room. I have always wanted to stay at The Contemporary Resort. Looked at prices for a Garden Room $500.00 a night. I would pay that and could afford it. But that is crazy for that price. I rather take the money for that a spend it for other things I might buy at WDW . But it should not take 2 months of rent to stay 4 days there. When I was single and made good money I would have but not now.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I'm sorry, but I would notice those nasty seats in Carousel of Progress. And how could you overlook the gaping hole in the set piece in the Norway attraction? I think for the casual visitor who frequents the place regularly these things may not deter them from going, but for me - a person who lives within a one hour flight from DLR - I have to think twice about spending time and thousands of dollars to go to WDW when I could take that same money and visit other places I enjoy like Italy, France, or Spain.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< two venues at the Wonders of Life Pavallion remain permanently walled off but in pristine condition. Far better condition that how the CoP looked in those pics. ... Why is it that some attractions at WDW are pristine and ubber well kept, and others are deteriorating? >>> Well, it's not that difficult to keep the walls free of scuff marks, the carpets clean, and seating upholstery without stains when the whole area is walled off from guests.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I'm sorry, but I would notice those nasty seats in Carousel of Progress. And how could you overlook the gaping hole in the set piece in the Norway attraction?>> Me too. If I happened to be walking down that particular aisle in that particular theater or had my eyes turned that particular way at that particular point in time during Maelstrom. But what are the chances of that?
