Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Karl Rove is the bad guy who planned and had olmert carry out the orders of the known traitor, george bush, to attack lebanon.>> Ed, I hear ya man. You speak for liberals everywhere. I just wish more liberals were as honest as you in your views. Keep selling it!
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Every republican i talked to, liar or not, did not watch the ronald reagan funeral nonsense. I noticed the little i saw, in between putting in my star wars dvd's, was mostly overweight, people who lived in large room like traveling vehicles. They seemed to have very little respect for themselves as they yelled and waved banners, and signs at the passing motorcade for the dead.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Carter said the attack on Lebanon was not justified. What a loser. How can he possibly say this? Is Israel just supposed to sit there and get attacked day after day as the Hezbos set up shop across the border with a mission to kill as many jews as possible? The Hezbos then hide out in daycare centers and apartment buildings. Is Carter surprised people die when this is what the terrorists do? Carter is a liberal. A stupid, ignorant, clueless, dangerous liberal who in his 4 years caused more damage to our country and the world than any other president in our lifetime. He then has the nerve to call out Bush, the one guy who is actually trying to defend our country from terrorists. Carter sucks more than France and that is not easy. He needs to shut up and act like othe former presidents used to act. This clown is siding with the enemy. Typical leftist.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd I do try to be honest, even if i am human, and know i will eventually err. Thanks for noticing. I try to read, watch, and listen to everyone also. Why would you block information like republicans do, if not to deny the truth? To block information would be like insisting your camera has only 1.2 megapixels instead of 8.7 megapixels, even if both cameras are for the same price.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Israel attacking the Lebonese people?>> <RoadTrip> <Israel killed FAR MORE of Lebanon’s civilians than they did Hezbollah fighters. That, to me, means they did indeed attack the Lebanese people.> Answer the question? Did Israel attack the Lebonese people? Or was Israel attacking Hezbolla who was hiding amongst the Lebonese people. While launching missles from Lebonese apartement buildings at civilian targets in Israel? Israel wasn't at war with Lebanon. Israel was at war with Hezbolla that has found santuary amongst the Lebonese government and its people.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Did Israel attack the Lebonese people? Or was Israel attacking Hezbolla who was hiding amongst the Lebonese people.>> Does it really make any difference?? The innocent victims are just as dead either way. That is a HUGE question when it comes to the moral issues involved in fighting terrorists. How careful do you have to be to not inflict collateral damage? The U.S. has probably been too concerned about it in Iraq, which has made the war much more difficult to fight. On the other hand, Israel didn't really give a shit, and I don't think that is right either. Israel bombed bridges cutting off Beirut from the rest of the world, even though Hezbollah was not fighting in Beirut. They did it for one reason and one reason only -- to make things very difficult for Lebanese commerce and the Lebanese people in the hope that it would persuade the Lebanese government to crack down on Hezbollah. Is that an attack against the duly constituted and democratically elected government of Lebanon? I would say yes.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Israel bombed bridges cutting off Beirut from the rest of the world, even though Hezbollah was not fighting in Beirut. They did it for one reason and one reason only -- to make things very difficult for Lebanese commerce and the Lebanese people in the hope that it would persuade the Lebanese government to crack down on Hezbollah.>> RT, Israel bombed bridges and roads and the airport so Syria could not supply the Hezbos with any more rockets. It was a good strategy. The problem was that Israel needed to do a massive ground invasion in the first few days so they could catch the terrorists by surprise. The air campaign alone wasn't good enough. This is why the Israel PM Olmert is going to get the boot for anyone other than a liberal.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Hezzbollah isn't supposed to be supported by the lebanese government, they don't have power to get rid of them. Bombing lebanon to stop hezbollah, is like bombing los angeles to solve our imigration problem.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd And i, for one, certainly do not want that. Why don't people just talk, and enjoy each other's company, while we have company, here together, alive together, laughing, having fun, looping on roller coasters, waving at audio-animatronics, you know, the real things, that god wants us good christians, honest christians, to do.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd There is one problem though, if you thought our media was propagandistic, well, just imagine it reversed. Schoolbooks that treat those of the jewish faith disrespectfully seem wrong. Making fun of people in a museum is something else, or cartoons in a paper, but being taught to hate a people and an imposed country next door just doesn't seem right. Now the little i know of world war ii, i assume that area, that israel has now become, was given up by the losing side, the naziiiiis, the germans, is that correct? Okay, if the land was lost admit it, and if the victors of wwii want to creat israel, great. Stop being crybabies about it. But if it is unfair, it will always be unfair. I don't know, and i never cared until all these jerks wanted me to waste my time thinking about the middle east.
Originally Posted By oc_dean ohhhhhh darkbeer ... my dear, dear, dear wonderful friend. Another democratic bash. But that's okay. I try to keep politics out of our personal time when we meet. I have too much respect for you. Though, I can't wait till the day you can give the republican party equal time on World Events. God knows there's nothing sacred or perfect about them!
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Israel killed FAR MORE of Lebanon’s civilians than they did Hezbollah fighters. That, to me, means they did indeed attack the Lebanese people.> How do you tell the difference between a Lebanon civilian and a Hezbollah fighter?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<How do you tell the difference between a Lebanon civilian and a Hezbollah fighter?>> Women and children tend not to be Hezbollah fighters.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh The ones married or sired by Hezbollah fighters do. Has it been confirmed that Israel killed more women and children then adult males?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Hezbollah's tactics include hiding amongst the populace so that many women and children can be killed whenever Israel fights back. They're certainley as much (in my opinion more) to blame for the death of any of the women and children as Israel is. The deaths of the women and children are used, as recent suspicious photos indicate, as PR tools. If Hezbollah fighters were truly converned about these deaths, they'd not do things to provoke a response from Israel, and they'd not hide behind women and children after launching attacks. I wish President Carter had focused more of his outrage at this ugly tactic.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy You will notice that Carter always takes the side of terrorists and dictators. He is a good liberal.
Originally Posted By nemopoppins President Carter is on the side of peace, democracy and human rights. It's an unfair and see-through tactic to stretch someone's views to the extreme when they disagree with your own. There is middle ground. It is possible to agree with Isreal's right to exist and to disagree with certain of their military actions at the same time. Without condoning it in any way it is possible to understand that some people may be driven to justify terrorism because of frustration under real or perceived oppression. Don't fault someone who understands that peace can only be achieved by give and take and in finding a point of least resistance may give a little more than take for the better good in the end. Insisting that one side is absolutely right and one side is absolutely wrong only perpetuates conflict.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^^ Crap. Someone comes along and makes an intelligent post. There goes the World Events we love to hate! ;-)
Originally Posted By tiggertoo Excellent point Kar2oonman. What I don’t understand is why we don’t call Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas what they are, a bunch of murderous cowards who hide behind women and children, then bitch and moan when an Arabic civilian is killed. And the general population over there buys it. I’ve concluded that it doesn’t matter what they do, or what we do, they will always hate us. Sorry, I’m just getting fed-up with the whole BS. They can go suck on a stick of lighted dynamite as far as I care anymore.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<How do you tell the difference between a Lebanon civilian and a Hezbollah fighter?>> You search the pockets of the dead body for id.
