Originally Posted By Mr X ***And for the record my mother was also on welfare when me and my brother was in elementry school. It was hard, single mother with a high school degree, no father anywhere around to speak of, people fall into these things. But she made it clear that this is something no one should strive for and that everyone should try and pick themselves up, that's its temporary relief and not a lifestyle choice. My mother went back to school, got a better degree and never went on welfare again.*** An excellent example of how "spreading the wealth" can sometimes be of great benefit to society when applied appropriately. Not saying there isn't anything wrong with the system, obviously it is subject to abuse (I have a cousin who, well..I'll not go there....but even she picked herself back up and got going after a long while), BUT it's certainly a necessary part of any society to have some charitable systems in place for the destitute. I'm betting Douglas would prefer to go with the "are there no workhouses? are there no prisons?" approach.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Well, Joe the Hypocrite had to have minor children he wasn't able to support living with him in the home. That should be the only way he gets cash aid. I'd lay off of him as far as that goes. That he then criticizes the same system that gave him assistance just shows how clueless he truly is.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney I'm confused as I don't often watch Fox News. Is this Alan Colmbs (sorry, didn't pay attention to the spelling) guy a typical conservative Fox News anchor, or is he liberal? Just wondering because it seems some of the Fox anchors have been on the attack against the ultra-conservative of late.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I'm confused as I don't often watch Fox News. Is this Alan Colmbs (sorry, didn't pay attention to the spelling) guy a typical conservative Fox News anchor, or is he liberal?" Colmes is the token liberal counter point to Sean (Certifiably Sociopathic) Hannity on the Fox show Hannity and Colmes.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<Certifiably Sociopathic>> I litterally laughed out loud!! That was funny .
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Dude, you're really going through all of this to defend Joe the Plumber> No, I'm going through all this to make a point. If we can agree that it's neither clever or funny to distort people's comments and call them names, can we stop doing it? Also, are you really okay with government agents going through someone's personal life and releasing it to the press just because he dared to express an opinion on tax policy? And are you really okay with berating a guy personally for expressing an opinion? Wouldn't it be much more civil to point out why you disagree with Joe's opinion on taxes, rather than call him a loser?
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka It might mean more coming from someone who lived up the standards he expects others to live by.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <He's run away several times before, pledging never to come back> No, I've never done that. <He's name calling, aggressive, looking for a fight at every turn.> This from the guy who regularly seems to mistake an insult for an argument, and to put people down in an attempt to feel bigger.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <It might mean more coming from someone who lived up the standards he expects others to live by.> Well, you're obviously superior to me in intelligence and morals. How about you start setting a standard, and I'll promise to follow?
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< No, I'm going through all this to make a point. If we can agree that it's neither clever or funny to distort people's comments and call them names, can we stop doing it? >>> I hope so. In the unlikely event you ever distort someone else's comment, I'll have this page bookmarked to remind you of your suggestion. <<< Also, are you really okay with government agents going through someone's personal life and releasing it to the press just because he dared to express an opinion on tax policy? >>> No, it's not okay. It kind of reminds me of the Valerie Plame incident, although in this case it a) didn't ruin someone's career, and b) didn't damage national security. <<< And are you really okay with berating a guy personally for expressing an opinion? Wouldn't it be much more civil to point out why you disagree with Joe's opinion on taxes, rather than call him a loser? >>> I agree on the name-calling. The point about Joe the Plumber seemingly being all over the board, and being a hypocrite in several ways as has been pointed out in this thread, can quite easily be made without calling him names.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka <<Well, you're obviously superior to me in intelligence and morals.>> Thanks! I didn't think it was "obvious" but thanks for admitting it to everyone. Glad we got that cleared up. LOL However, why don't you follow your own stated standards? Why do I need to make them for you? I thought you believed in personal responsibility?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "This from the guy who regularly seems to mistake an insult for an argument, and to put people down in an attempt to feel bigger." You've got to be kidding. THIS from a guy who sees personal attack when he looks in a mirror? "No, I've never done that." Since you're the New Doug, maybe that was the Old Doug. But you have done it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "No, I'm going through all this to make a point. If we can agree that it's neither clever or funny to distort people's comments and call them names, can we stop doing it? Also, are you really okay with government agents going through someone's personal life and releasing it to the press just because he dared to express an opinion on tax policy? And are you really okay with berating a guy personally for expressing an opinion? Wouldn't it be much more civil to point out why you disagree with Joe's opinion on taxes, rather than call him a loser?" Aren't these questions for Dick Cheney?
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka This thread isn't really about Joe's views on taxes. It's about the fact that he has called Obama as socialist for saying he wanted to spread the wealth around while he and his family have used the system to get welfare. He somehow seems to think that everyone who receives more money under Obama is receiving a handout without paying any money into the system but when he got his own goverment handout, he was just receiving the money he paid into the system. That takes a special brand of hypocrisy and he deserves to be called out for it.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***In the unlikely event you ever distort someone else's comment, I'll have this page bookmarked to remind you of your suggestion.*** lol. I have the feeling you spend far too much time sitting on airplanes listening to the safety speils.
Originally Posted By SuperDry ^^^ Perhaps. Although, I suspect that my need to pull out this bookmark and remind Douglas of what he said is quite a bit higher than my next flight needing to make a water landing.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka <<***In the unlikely event you ever distort someone else's comment, I'll have this page bookmarked to remind you of your suggestion.***>> He'll just say the other person started it.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <No, I'm going through all this to make a point. If we can agree that it's neither clever or funny to distort people's comments and call them names, can we stop doing it?> Okay. Everybody read posts 1-3, and see who distorted who's comments. Early in the thread, too, so no mistaking who did it first.
