Originally Posted By DisneyLogic pammywood, it's a matter of taste and perspective, but of all the media things Disney does, I think DisneyChannel has some of their best programming. I wouldn't read the attire on "Lizze McGuire", for instance, as advocating that kind of attire. Most public schools around here, for instance, don't permit it anyway. It simply makes the character cool for how they look and easier for kinds to relate to, at least IMO. It is equivalent to using good-looking actresses and actors in movies that appeal to adults: Sure real people don't look that way, but are the studios *really* saying people who DON'T look like the actors and actresses are somehow undesirable? No. It's simply that if you're going to watch people on screen for an extended period of time, people prefer to have something nice to look at.
Originally Posted By kennect This kind of talk scares me...It almost sounds as if some of you would hold Disney hostage to force your own morals down the publics throat....Thank goodness that can't be done...Otherwise we would live a very dull world without choices.... I suggest if you prefer G rated entertainment run out and rent any number of Disney films....Just make sure you don't rent one that has any violence or deaths in it...You know, something like "The Lion King"...There are other titles also but it would take forever to list them all...
Originally Posted By pammywood DisneyLogic.... I agree that the Disney Channel does have some good original shows, I don't have a problem with that. I'm just saying that instead of varying their programming by showing some of the vintage stuff, they show the same programs over and over, and put some other movies in there that are just junk. (for instance, that movie where Shaq is a genie...come on!) I just feel like Disney is thinking that the older stuff is too old fashioned for today, but it's not! Kids would enjoy seeing a goose laying golden eggs today just as much as they did then, if they would just show it! As far as POTC goes, I do agree that we should all wait to see it before we make hard judgements on it. But still it is disappointing to see a movie with the Disney name on it go to a PG-13, meaning it limits those who can see it. The Disney name should be safe for everyone. But, not all the Disney movies have been rated fairly, so we'll see how it goes. The Hunchback should have surely been PG, Max Keeble should have been G. Go figure! ;o)
Originally Posted By kennect Pammy, I wish there was some way for me to explain this correctly but there really isn't....My previous post was in regards to people that feel that Disney is going into areas they consider taboo for Disney...I have no problems with a Disney film being rated anything G to whatever as long as the film is good...And as we all know Disney has truly turned out some clunkers even while Walt was still alive...But I do have to agree with your comments about the Disney channel....The Disney Company is holding onto a ton of old material that so many, like me, would like to see...This is an area that I find myself truly dissapointed with the current Disney company....Call me old, old fashioned or whatever....I spend most of my television time watching TVLand....In fact, I rarely ever watch any of the major networks...At this point I am saying nothing of value so I will try to wrap it up with a simple sentence...As said before, I have no problem with a film being rated as is but I hate to see such a rich legacy of success go down the drain due to current managment...But we should all be greatful that Disney even exists today...There are so many others that don't....
Originally Posted By yensid32 I totally agree with you. Walt would have moved with the times, but he would never have abandoned his beliefs, values, and morals. The company will eventually suffer for this poor decision making. By 1997, I stopped going to motion pictures that wore the Disney name. I had seen Walt’s name slandered one too many times in the mid-to-late ‘90’s with such atrocities as Mr. Magoo, That Darn Cat (remake), and 101 Dalmations (live action). But after missing out on such great films like The Straight Story, and Remember the Titans, I have learnt to use discernment with this company. I believe it’s also time to stand up and defend the Card Walker/Ron Miller team of the ‘70s. Under their leadership we saw the introduction of such Disneyland/WDW attractions such as Big Thunder Mountain, Space Mountain, the Main Street Electrical Parade. We also witnessed the opening of Epcot Center. While maybe not as Walt originally envisioned, it remains a grand project and makes theme parks like Disney-MGM Studios and California Adventure (opened by the Eisner team) look pale in comparison. Also, many of the films from the ‘70s are now regarded as classics. Freaky Friday, Bedknobs and Broomsticks, Pete’s Dragon, Tron, Escape to Witch Mountain, the Rescuers, and The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, to name a few. (And let’s not forget, Who Framed Roger Rabbit was really Ron Miller’s baby.) Quality will endure. Here’s what I’ve learnt. The pure magic and genius of Walt will only grow stronger as the years go by. The more the company strays from its’ roots and abandons its’ values, the more Walt’s original product will shine through and stand out for the truly outstanding and exceptional work that it is. Snow White, Old Yeller, Parent Trap, Pollyanna, etc, these films will live on and on, and, like a good wine, only keep on improving with age. Nothing the company does now can take away from the pure joy and excellence of these works. In 10 or 20 years time, these other films (that disgrace Walt’s name) will have all but vanished into obscurity, being past their use by date, and being recognized for what they are, discarded and thrown out in the trash, as is befitting the fate of all garbage.
Originally Posted By NMMC If you want to know how too far gone Disney has gone downhill, Disney paid airtime to put a POTC commercial in the late night UNCENSORED Comedy Central showing of "South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut." I wish this was a sick Joke i was playing on the boards; but unfortunately, this is true. It's time for new management at Disney.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 LMAO, I guess I wasn't the only one who watched that last night. Does Disney actually choose which shows the commercials on Comedy Central air? Or is it done by time slot weeks, even months before the schedule is set?
Originally Posted By CuriosWolfSo >>Curious, how are the older adults going to be shut out? Just curious to how you came to that. I understand most kids will be shut out if they cannot handle the frightening scenes.<< WilliamK99, There are some older adults who just can't take that kind of stuff. Scary Moments, Loud Sound Effects, Bloody Violence, Bad Language, Near-Naked People, etc., etc., etc.... And if the movie is rated PG-13, it's sure to have, at least, almost ALL of those things! It's not for just R-rated movies anymore.
Originally Posted By cheezman20 >>If you want to know how too far gone Disney has gone downhill, Disney paid airtime to put a POTC commercial in the late night UNCENSORED Comedy Central showing of "South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut." I wish this was a sick Joke i was playing on the boards; but unfortunately, this is true. It's time for new management at Disney<< If any of you know the Tarzan vs. South Park Oscar story then this could very well be a big thumb on the nose from Disney to Trey Parker and Matt Stone LOL POTC will ROCK!!! even with a PG-13 which is what the ride should be rated (you ever think about how macabre the skeleton holding the gold is? kinda depressing too. So is the "chicken chasing"... LOL)
Originally Posted By u k fan I think it's really funny that anyone even cares what shows the movie is advertised between. What difference does it make?!!!
Originally Posted By kennect UK, I agree with you...It is rather obvious this film is going to appeal to a very broad potential audience...Therefore I see no problem with any advertising strategy that Disney is using...Hey, you can't sell it if no ones knows about it...
Originally Posted By SweetieangelM14 I don't mind it being rated pg13, but I don't think Disney movies should be rated R because I feel that Disney is intended for younger viewers.
Originally Posted By kennect I seriously doubt we will ever have to worry about R rated Disney films...It would limit the audience/BO too much and therefore we have Touchstone and Mirimax for titles that would qualify for such...
Originally Posted By gmaletic I just came back from seeing Pirates, and the film is quite mild by PG-13 standards. Yes, there's violence, but it's fairly cartoon-y, and yes, it's scary, but so are a lot of movies. So I don't think Disney has really compromised itself here. And I think the idea that Pirates, because it's PG-13, is somehow more objectionable than Jaws with its PG rating...that doesn't make much sense. Jaws would certainly be a PG-13 movie if made today (there was no PG-13 rating back then) and that movie is tremendously more intense than Pirates.
Originally Posted By TiGGeRsTale You talk as if disney would not of been effected the way that his company has been over the past years. Disney was still human & to assume that he would still be the exact disney he was back in the 50's & 60's would be very hard to belive. how many people reading this have not changed since then?! Yes this may be a little far & you wrote an awesome artical. Yet I must argue that this is not the work of but one man, yet of a cultural change. as the stardards of the mass change so do the standards of those who provide for it. If 2000 leauges under the sea were created with the tech. that we now posses I belive it would have a hard time getting a PG rating. & for as much as you speak of Disney standards crumbling... maybe you should take a better look of the standards of this world that we live in & really think if it's disney that's crumbling them or the masses that they provide for. Thanks for giving me something to talk about.
