Originally Posted By leemac <<I am still hopefull that the new stuff coming to TDS will help the numbers at that park... remains to be seen of course..>> Me too. I never want to be proved right on this one. The world needs a TDR that is at the top of its game like it used to be. I just don't think OLC has be able to handle growing to an organisation that has 2 parks, a failing mall complex and a raft of strange hotels. The latter two definitely lack the Disney touch. They were offered a DtD concept but refused to pay for it. I bet they wish they had now. They are stuck with an unpopular mall that is badly configured and they are having to prop it up by paying a truckload of cash to Cirque du Soleil and Disney for La Nouba.
Originally Posted By Mr X >>>The reason it has all those special events is that it can't attract regular guests on the strength of the park itself.<<< TDLFAN beat me to it, but it seems to me you can't have it both ways. TDL is by all accounts a wildly successful park, and yet they have TONS of special events. Is that because the park itself couldn't have attracted "enough" guests all those years. I doubt it. And yet when TDS follows that same general formula, suddenly the park itself is not "good" enough to attract people. I don't buy that argument.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>TDL is by all accounts a wildly successful park, and yet they have TONS of special events.<< I can attest to that since I have been going there for the longest time I guess... First time I stepped foot on TDL.. not only was I blown away by the insanely sanitized conditions, but also by the crowds... 'Star Tours' had just opened and the lines for that used to block off the entire outdoor area between the ride and the Pan Galactic Pizza Place.. They were also in the midts of their "Mickey's Space Fantasy" special event.. It was the first time I ever saw actual chairs set up in front of the castle for a particular show. I was blonw away and came back that evening thinking to myself... "why o why are things not done like this at the MK???" Point is... my expectations for WDW were immediately raised after such a succesful first day at TDL. >>The world needs a TDR that is at the top of its game like it used to be.<< 16 yrs after my very first visit to TDL, there is nothing you can tell me that will make me change my mind on this: TDR may not be at the top of the game but it sure runs the most consistently solid operation with the most bang for your dollar and the operation that most proudly offer the experience that Walt intended for his park in Anaheim (still a great park on it's own as well).. "It takes People.." and "My park will be clean.." TDR is still the master of that philosophy. Only my opinion of course.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<< As I say, so typical of the TDR obsessives to resort to stretching outside the thread to slander other parks. The thread was "Just what is the problem with TDS?". >>> <<Well, at least part of the reason for this is that people's comments don't stand in isolation. Here on LP, we're not lone crime scene eyewitnesses who might have a sentence or two of commentary quoted in the newspaper once or twice in our lifetimes. We're a community, and over time we develop a sense of each others' likes and dislikes and where they're coming from based on what we post.>> Thank you SuperDry . YOU got it at least .
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Oh yeah, also agreement behind Mr. X, TDLFAN. But, my obsessive love for TDR is so great and fanatic, how could I ever see it differently ;D.
Originally Posted By leemac <<<<< As I say, so typical of the TDR obsessives to resort to stretching outside the thread to slander other parks. The thread was "Just what is the problem with TDS?". >>> <<Well, at least part of the reason for this is that people's comments don't stand in isolation. Here on LP, we're not lone crime scene eyewitnesses who might have a sentence or two of commentary quoted in the newspaper once or twice in our lifetimes. We're a community, and over time we develop a sense of each others' likes and dislikes and where they're coming from based on what we post.>>>> The point is that by saying "Well at least TDS is better than all the other non-MKs" you don't answer the question in the thread. The problem with TDS has nothing whatsoever to do with any other park.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^But Leemac, I read this thread, no one is really saying that here, are they. Sure, most are saying that no matter what TDS is a good park while still acknowledging its concerns JUST like people can acknowledge they like DCA even though they realize a lot of the public isn't into it. Man, this stuff happens ALL the time here. It just amazes me we are over 100 posts and there isn't wild disagreements over what is being discussed, is it? No one is saying, "Are you an idiot, TDS is fine, there are no problems whatsoever." Again, people are acknowledging that TDS has problems over and over, but what makes it lacking to some people versus others is the issue.....just like any other park. WHILE STILL BEING THE BEST DISNEY PARK EVER BUILT!!!!!! (sorry, couldn't help it )
Originally Posted By TDLFAN I was at TDS today and it was quite crowded for a non-holiday avearge day... TDL was packed as well.. I went expecting a quiet day at TDS and was taken aback by the amount of people in the park. Too me longer than I thought to finish the Rhythms of the World pin rally... But all in all, I was glad to see TDS "cooking", and TOT is looking quite spectacular.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN I was there on the 21st. Went to see the Rhythms show at 12:30pm hoping to see a familiar face, but got GORGEOUS instead!! No complaints here.
Originally Posted By Mr X LOL. Well, as long as you're happy. FYI, "Gorgeous" performs Friday-Tuesday. The familiar face in question performs on his days off (Wednesdays and Thursdays only).
