Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Haven't we all heard this before, countless times with rock stars, and film stars in these usual "Rise to fame" stories?<< Depressingly often. And yet, people still want their kids to be stars. It's pretty rare for a child star to get through it all in one piece, physically or mentally. The money generated by a couple hit songs or a movie role or two, if financially-managed properly, would be sufficient for a lifetime of financial security. And yet… cars, booze, drugs, supporting a posse of hangers-on, legal troubles, lawyers… it goes away pretty fast.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "any conviction on a marijuana possession charge makes him automatically inadmissible to the US the next time he leaves and comes back," Suddenly, this has stopped being a stupid law.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Maybe such waivers are routinely granted for simple possession, but one connected with drag racing, driving under the influence of pot, and DUI might be more complicated*** Perhaps he'll apply for a famous-peoples waiver? I mean, Paul McCartney still enjoys frequent trips to Japan. I can't imagine such a thing ever applying to us mere mortals. ***I doubt that any publicist would recommend such an act just to generate headlines, considering the possible long-term effects on his career*** Agreed. Not a stunt, unless it's one he cooked up in his addled little mind. Yelling at the cops who stopped him does seem like an attempt at a stunt, under the circumstances, unless he was too blotto and/or too conceited to know any better (which is also a distinct possibility).
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Unless this kid has an epiphany soon, he'll be dead before he's legally able to drink beer in most places. He's not even 20 until March. Sad thing is, not many will mourn him. If he's lucky, he'll end up like Vanilla Ice, fixing up houses on TV. I've watched Ice's show though, and he seems to actually have a talent for that. Bieber has no discernible talent or career sustainability of any kind. Live fast, die young, leave a scrawny, ugly, tattooed puny corpse. With a bad haircut.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I just finished listening to the Nerdist podcast with Daniel Radcliffe. One of the things that he spoke about was how he not only had a strong family at home that kept him focused, but also a crew that he worked with for years that was like a family too him. He said that if he'd come back to the set and acted like an untouchable celebrity they would have disabused him of that notion pretty quickly. Radcliffe likely has a long career ahead of him even after being at the center of one of the biggest pop culture events since Star Wars. But people around him didn't let him become a self-absorbed diva just because he was their cash cow.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 There are people who can manage it: Jodie Foster, Roddy McDowall, Leonardo DiCaprio, Justin Timberlake, Neil Patrick Harris... it's possible to "survive" being a child or teen star and not get screwed up. But boy... there are a lot of people who get screwed up, aren't there?
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Perhaps he'll apply for a famous-peoples waiver? I mean, Paul McCartney still enjoys frequent trips to Japan. >>> The passage of time helps in such things. But waivers are not automatically granted just because you're famous: remember that Paris Hilton was denied entry to Japan a few years ago because of a misdemeanor possession conviction in Las Vegas. And, Canada routinely enforces such rules against Americans (and all others). For example, a simple DUI conviction with no drugs involved makes an American automatically inadmissible to Canada for 10 years, and you can't even apply for a "good behavior" waiver for 5 years. And yes, they do enforce it, and they do have access to US criminal databases. So, it wouldn't sadden me at all for a Canadian to find that the US acted the same way toward him.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Radcliffe likely has a long career ahead of him even after being at the center of one of the biggest pop culture events since Star Wars. But people around him didn't let him become a self-absorbed diva just because he was their cash cow.>> WB did a brilliant job of "parenting" all of the Potter kids. Sure it was in their best interests but they seem to have handled all of them very well. It helps that Radcliffe is immensely talented. I've seen him in a musical (How to Succeed) and a play (The Cripple of Inishmaan that is coming to Broadway this upcoming season) and he is an exceptionally gifted performer - always willing to push his limits (singing and dancing in How to Succeed and the limp as the Cripple Billy).
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< But boy... there are a lot of people who get screwed up, aren't there? >>> Not only child actors, but think of all the pro athletes that have squandered their success in one way or another. This was in the paper yesterday: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.chron.com/sports/longhorns/article/Vince-Young-joins-many-ex-NFL-players-who-see-5166641.php">http://www.chron.com/sports/lo...6641.php</a> "Vince Young, who according to the Associated Press was paid $34 million in six NFL seasons, [has filed for bankruptcy]" I'm all for enjoying the fruits of one's success, but there are limits. How do these people stay in the "paycheck to paycheck" mentality of having to spend every cent they earn as soon as they earn it, and then some, when they make millions a year?
Originally Posted By oc_dean Here's something the media doesn't know.... From one of my own friends who lives in the San Fernando Valley, and had this to say just recently: >>He has a Chrome car called a Fisker Karma that he drives around Calabasas like a maniac. I was at a stop light there one day and watched him run the same light and almost run over an old lady, he just went around her and didn't stop.<< An eyewitness account! This teen punk who rose to riches and fame .. is going to fizzle out real fast .. and in jail sooner than later. There's a petition to have him deported back to his home of Canada - <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-justin-bieber/GmhbqmQn">http://petitions.whitehouse.go...GmhbqmQn</a> They are on their way to getting those 100,000 petitions. They'll probably make their target by the date needed. buh-bye punk!
Originally Posted By oc_dean And this is yet another petition, to get his Green Card revoked: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-justin-bieber-and-revoke-his-green-card/ST1yqHJL">http://petitions.whitehouse.go...ST1yqHJL</a> They already exceeded their need to get 100,000 by having 179,845! Cool! This punk needs to learn a few lessons about life!
Originally Posted By SuperDry These petitions are misguided. First of all, it is impossible to revoke his green card, since he doesn't have one (he's reportedly in the US on an entertainer visa). Regarding deportation, that tends to be difficult unless you are convicted of a serious crime. But what would be *easy* to do is to deny him admission to the US. Even if you have a valid visa or even a green card, unless you're a US citizen, your admission to the US is at the discretion of the CBP officer and immigration policy and laws each and every time you enter. And, a valid reason for denying someone admission is if they are known to be an illegal drug user. He admitted to the cops in Florida to smoking pot, and there are unconfirmed reports that the blood/urine test taken at the time confirms this. This isn't enough to get you deported, but it IS enough to prevent you from coming back. And, he's currently in Canada dealing with some other police matter, so he's outside the US.
