Originally Posted By YourPalEd All republicans are liars. All republicans are criminals. All republicans are traitors. All democrats are censored out of all the american media. Which is proof all republicans are liars, and george bush is a traitor to the united states of america. Tiny clips of prerecorded democrats, or only democrats, who are on the republican payroll, like liberman, who took saudi arabian money. Then known traitor, cheney, leaked plame, and thousands were killed in iran and iraq, spies for the united states of america, were murdered because of the known traitors, and anti-american terrorists, karl rove, and cheney.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Eric, surely you realize being rational doesn't count here.<< Being rational means being capable of removing partisan bias (Is that really possible with certain posters around here?!!) ... and having the common sense and wisdom to not being apologists for obvious corrupt actions within this presidential administration. Unfortunately though ... I think many people are blinded by their own idealogy .. and would defend a serial killer if they are part of their own political party.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <(Is that really possible with certain posters around here?!!) , No,from what I have seen, but there are players on both sides of that fence also
Originally Posted By friendofdd Dean, my referance was to the quote made by a well credentialed liberal columnist in the Washington Post, a well credentialed liberal newspaper. If they can be rational about the topic, can it not be recognized by us?
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<Being rational means being capable of removing partisan bias>>> Agreed, but all republicans are liars, and traitors, and only have that defeatist mentality. You can not work without calling the known traitor, george bush, something he is not. He is guilty of treason, a fact that will not go away, no matter how many suits and ties he wears. Because of the criminal partisan censorship of all american media, the republicans have proven themselves your enemy, that can not be trusted on any level. Tv's are not selling because they only lie, everything is censored by the criminals, and known traitors, who have taken over america, who lowered our defenses for 9/11 to occur, who rigged the tallies of our national elections, while having less than 23 percent of the citizens vote. <<<(Is that really possible with certain posters around here?!!)>>> Why yes, right after you call for the impeachment of george bush, then you can speak to me as an american. <<< ... and having the common sense and wisdom to not being apologists for obvious corrupt actions within this presidential administration. >>> They are not apologists, they are propagandists using basic lying techniques: censor, block, deny. All republicans are your enemy.
Originally Posted By oc_dean friendofdd .... I know what you are saying. I'm speaking in a more broader state, beyond the whole Karl Rove thing. Collectively .... after 5 years .... the endless defense of the Bush administration .. when the facts are out there ... is disturbing!
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <the endless defense of the Bush administration .. when the facts are out there ... is disturbing!> The facts are what are used to defend the Bush administration. It's the endless criticism of the Bush administration, in face of the facts, that is truly disturbing.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <The facts are what are used to defend the Bush administration. It's the endless criticism of the Bush administration, in face of the facts, that is truly disturbing.> A less partisan approach would recognize that every administration has good points and bad, successes and failures, instances of good judgement and bad judgement. And that therefore by definition, facts could be used to both praise or criticize any adminstration; facts could not be simply all one way or the other.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I've never seen such an imperfect Adminstration as this one defended as perfect before in my life.
Originally Posted By friendofdd The mans name was Nixon. But every one since then has been far from perfect. It is also interesting that the Clintons are still striving for perfection.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "1993 to 2000" That's laughable, I never voted for the guy. His administration was just as flawed as Bush's. Try again.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "The mans name was Nixon." Who has defended Nixon as perfect? Not just on these boards, but anywhere? I was around then as well. I remember when he beat Humphrey and people were already bemoaning the idea that we elected a crook. Nixon?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I never voted for the guy.> That wasn't the issue. The Clinton administration was far from perfect (yes, much farther than the Bush administration), and some still try to claim it was almost nirvana. I never claimed you were one of them.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Man, I have GOT to sit down before I read some of this stuff.
Originally Posted By friendofdd >>>I've never seen such an imperfect Adminstration as this one defended as perfect before in my life.<<< Sorry, SPP, I must be misunderstanding your post. Are we arguing over "such an imperfect administration" or "defended as perfect" I have assumed it was the first. If it is the latter, who is defending the Bush administration as perfect? If it is a public figure, I am interested in the defense made. If it is an LPer, I apologize, as that is irrevelant to me. I also apologize if I have misunderstood your post.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>That wasn't the issue. The Clinton administration was far from perfect<< Agreed. No rational person would deny that. >> (yes, much farther than the Bush administration),<< NOT! Perhaps if you have ties to the Bush administration, you would think that the Bush administration is better. After all, all those no-bid, unaccountabe contracts that gain you billions of taxpayer dollars is a nice incentive to be loyalist. >> and some still try to claim it was almost nirvana.<< No, but things were definitely BETTER for just about everyone.
