Originally Posted By ecdc Oh, right! I forgot about those two. Seriously thought, if we were to look at Bill Clinton vs. Karl Rove or Dick Cheney - which one is more likely to have someone killed? I know where I'm putting my money
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Seriously, what is the rights obsession with Kennedy? It's been almost 40 years, but anything to bash the left< nice try, but not even close to being right -- the question was asked : show me a democrat who did anything this bad -- this was easy, I don't care if it's 100 years ago. But with some posters here, because he had a D next to his name instead of an R - he gets a free pass , it's ridiculous. If Kennedy had been a republican he would still be being roasted by the same people. to borrow from jonvn - your opinion is wrong.
Originally Posted By ecdc "But with some posters here, because he had a D next to his name instead of an R - he gets a free pass , it's ridiculous." vbdad, you keep making up outrages in your head and then responding to them vocally here. Who ever gave Kennedy a "pass" for what he did? Some people might say that it happened 40 years ago and drop the issue. That's called being reasonable, not giving him a pass. And you just morphed praising him into giving him a pass. No one has done any of that on these boards. Not one. All I did was point out the utter ludicrousness of equating "praising" with electing. Tom already showed you the flawed logic in suggesting someone else would still be in jail. But lots of politicians/celebrities over the years have done things that might get a normal person landed in jail, but they avoid it. That's par for the course, not some "Ted Kennedy gets a pass because he has a D after his name." Where, and why, are you digging up these strawmen instead of responding to what people actually say?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Read all the excuses for Ted, and if that is not enough for you, than nothing I am going to say is going to change that.... they are not strawmen, however if I respond and it isn't what one wants to here, then suddenly I have become stupid and can't read/comprehend. I am sorry I am not jumping on the Dem bandwagon, but it is not where my allegiance lies, which is in the middle. I split my votes thos election based on individuals, not the D or R in front of their name. There are some here, and feel free to include yourself, that still only see one truth out there, and it is represented by the Dem party. I am happy that you have found such peace, I have not and will not. For anyone to say that Ted Kennedy has not had a great allegiance even after the incident is disengenuous. Then we play games with definitions of praise. If it was your daughter maybe you'd feel differently, and I always try and view it from that perspective, but I can't force you to do that. You're happy with your viewpoint and you are welcome to it, I am just glad not everyone feels that way.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Seriously, what is the rights obsession with Kennedy?" Basically it's because they can't respond to comments about the current people in office, and have to go back nearly half a century to grab at something. "the question was asked : show me a democrat who did anything this bad " Actually, it was a two part question: Show me something a democrat has done that was this bad, and, who subsequently got praise over it. Which was a response to something another poster wrote. No one praised Teddy Kennedy over this incident. And aside from that, this was an auto accident. A very bad auto accident, but he certainly never intendedt to do the harm he did. Does that excuse it? No. Does it make it as bad as what Mark Foley did? Well, that's a grey area, and can be argued either way. But this was an auto accident, and not an intentional solicitation of an underage individual by a Congressman who was in a superior position, where such things are considered unethical sexual harrassment. "with some posters here, because he had a D next to his name instead of an R - he gets a free pass" He doesn't get a free pass from me, much like Laura Bush doesn't get a free pass for her auto accident in which someone died, as well. "For anyone to say that Ted Kennedy has not had a great allegiance even after the incident is disengenuous" I think you are being a bit disingenuous. No one here is saying that.
