Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 It's funny because I was reading his latest article and my first thought was, "Wow - looks like Kev wants to be Al for WDW!!!" Keep up the great work mate! By the time I get there around 2015(once FLE and HP phase 2 is done)it may be all ship shape and pretty again!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>I am glad Kevin Yee is drawing attention to the problems at WDW. Some of this stuff is unacceptable. Unfortunately despite how bad things are in WDW. Disneyland Paris is in a even worst state. Its very well known to see things working one day. And find them broken the next. <<< Paris has it's problems. But never before have I encountered as many malfunctions on a Disney experience as my trip to WDW in 2006. On the flip side, we just got back from Efteling, and while not quite as ornate as Disney attractions, every effect on every attraction was working. This included a 150 year old steam carousel and calioppe. I am not sure Disney is capable of the quality maintenance we have witnesses at Europa Park, Phantasialand and Efteling this year. And there are a lot of apologists who seem to know no different and give Disney a pass. It is sad frankly.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORGOCH: I knows whatcha means, dave, ducklin'. I think the Walt Dizzy Comp'ny even pays them dang apologists full time sal'ries fer goin' 'round makin' excuses fer bad upkeep an' the like. I calls 'em DOM's.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Just got back from NYC, and honestly, I know what you mean, Dave. Refreshing to see other things, real things, and be treated well in the places that you visit, not just like another "guest".
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Refreshing to see other things, real things, and be treated well in the places that you visit, not just like another "guest<< And that's the rub. One of my biggest issues with current WDW. This is a resort that use to be known for exceeding guest expectations and guest service in almost everyway. Guests would experience that guest service in a way unfamiliar anywhere else in the real world. Nowadays, I feel more like a 'guest' at any steak joint in the city or any nice hotel in a vacation spot. Those places have learned from Disney and adapted to Disney's old principles, while Disney has learned from the MBAs of outside business and adapted their old principles.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>And that's the rub. One of my biggest issues with current WDW. This is a resort that use to be known for exceeding guest expectations and guest service in almost everyway. Guests would experience that guest service in a way unfamiliar anywhere else in the real world.<<< Exactly. We stayed at a moderately luxurious hotel... and I found the level of service to be astounding, honestly. Compared to Disney's quality and price... I don't know why people spend that amount of money and time going to WDW when there are other experiences that offer more. There's also the issue of flying, too, but I think living 3 hours away by car has spoiled me... I really can't comprehend flying and spending a week in WDW! LOL
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 Personally I don't understand ANYBODY that wants to spend $450 a night to stay in an equivalent 3 star hotel in WDW when you can spend $50 for a just slightly lesser experience a mile from the TTC and for a room you are only in eight hours per night to sleep in. Just does my head in!!!
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Kevin Yee would do well do be the Florida Al Lutz. His past work analyzing Fastpass is great, but they aren't archived. He's not going to change what he believes to get special media favors. On a personal note, I'm somewhat disappointed my personal relationship with him soured. He's quite the talented guy.
Originally Posted By KevinYee ^ Soured? How?? I'm not mad at you, Spok! Hoping I didn't miss something....
Originally Posted By danyoung >Personally I don't understand ANYBODY that wants to spend $450 a night to stay in an equivalent 3 star hotel in WDW when you can spend $50 for a just slightly lesser experience a mile from the TTC and for a room you are only in eight hours per night to sleep in.< Some would call it drinking the koolaid, but for me there's value in going on Disney property and leaving the outside world . . . well, outside. There are two tangible benefits to staying onsite as well - free parking, and access to the Extra Magic Hours. By themselves they aren't worth the higher price of Disney lodging. But as a total package when combined with the isolation from the real world, it's worth it to me.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Personally I don't understand ANYBODY that wants to spend $450 a night to stay in an equivalent 3 star hotel in WDW when you can spend $50 for a just slightly lesser experience a mile from the TTC and for a room you are only in eight hours per night to sleep in.<<< This. I don't even do that, and I still balk at the price of tickets and food... It's more economical to go somewhere else for longer, in all honesty. Besides the subway ride we took on our museum day, admission to everything was free.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo They both have there places. There are great things to be said about escaping to a fantasy realm for a little while to help recharge your batteries. That said - I would rather stay at the Hotel Colloseo in Europa Park, the Ling Bao at Phantasialand or Bosrijk in Efteling. They all feel far more like getting away from it all. The theming and service are as good and in many ways better than the Disney deluxes, with no commercialism to pull you out of getting away from it all (modern Disney feels like they are hawking all the time).
Originally Posted By sjhym333 As locals we would stay at a Disney resort and not go to the parks. We would just enjoy the resort. Our most recent trip this summer was to Bay Lake Towers, which we loved. Having said that, we will probably stay on property anymore, with the exception of the campground, because we find the prices very high for the experience we get. Also, over the past several years the resorts seem very frenetic. Not very conducive to just relaxing. Everywhere you go there are people rushing around to do something from the shops to the restaurants to the pool area.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 should read Not stay on property anymore. I should note that as a CM we usually stay on property at 50-60% off and that still was expensive to us.
Originally Posted By 3disneylocations I don't even do that, and I still balk at the price of tickets and food... It's more economical to go somewhere else for longer, in all honesty. Besides the subway ride we took on our museum day, admission to everything was free.<< this is a thread about WDW not NYC... Try to stay on topic
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "^ Soured? How?? I'm not mad at you, Spok!" Wrong word, haha. But you guys have been back to Anaheim and I was sort of thinking, "Oh I wonder why I don't get an email from Kevin Yee." It's no big deal though! Years ago we were thinking about going to Disney World and decided against it, but if we did I would have probably contacted you and ask you to show me how to do Disney World right while I criticize anything and everything I come into contact with, haha.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> this is a thread about WDW not NYC... Try to stay on topic << His point was relevant, because it's related to travel and tourism. Try to stop policing the thread.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^This Place really isn't the lighthearted fun place it used to be, is it? You'd almost think the goal was to kill discussion or neuter it to a point where it's Stepford/Magical CM like. I'm probably wrong. It's probably all is Kevin Yee's fault. He is evil I tell you ... and he HATES WDW ... Kevin, why don't you go to UNI and then there will be less of a line for us 'loyal' (yep, in joke there) WDW lovers to stand in line for Space Mountain for the 17th time in two days. ~GFC~
