Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder The day I start worrying about what Kirk Cameron thinks about an issue is the day I check myself into the looney bin. Has he even read a book?
Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie Somehow, I'm not worried. When Kirk Cameron changes the world, then I will believe that the apocalypse has begun.
Originally Posted By utahjosh The elitism and mockery of religion on these boards is just too much. Not to say that I and other religious folk her have always been nice, we haven't. But wow, so much hatred...
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Has he even read a book?<< Just one. The problem is, it's fiction and he thinks it's non-fiction. It advocates stoning children, slaughtering societies, sacrificing your own son, torture, racism, and misogyny. So...you can kinda see why the guy is so messed up.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>The elitism<< Ah yes, that lousy elitism again. How dare people actually know what they're talking about! I mean, being an "elite" in anything else is bad, right? We don't want elite soldiers fighting our battles - give us mediocre ones any day of the week! Those elitists and their knowing stuff....
Originally Posted By ecdc >>The elitism and mockery of religion on these boards is just too much. Not to say that I and other religious folk her have always been nice, we haven't. But wow, so much hatred...<< I just went through and reread this entire thread just to make sure I was clear. Josh, you're being paranoid again. No one has "mocked religion." They've mocked Kirk Cameron. He's altering a book to suit his own agenda. And people are having fun making fun of the guy for it. How you get to "mocking religion" from there is beyond me.
Originally Posted By utahjosh It's not just this thread, ecdc. But your post 26 is mocking the bible and religion directly.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>It's not just this thread, ecdc. But your post 26 is mocking the bible and religion directly.<< No, it's mocking Kirk Cameron for taking everything in the Bible literally. Not even Mormons do that, Josh. So it's not mocking you or any other religion. Just the really, really crazy ones.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox I think you're being overly sensitive. The post is not mocking biblical references, it's mocking Cameron. It's pointing out the fact that Cameron takes the allegorical tales in the bible and interprets them literally. He cannot stay out of the limelight and obviously misses the media attention since Growing Pains was cancelled. Cameron is one of the most vocal proponents of rapture mythology, and has a well-known history of questioning fellow actors' morals to the point of demanding their removal from productions he's involved with. This guy is one of the worst kind of fundamentalist fruitcake imaginable. Post 26 was presenting the biblical tales as Cameron imagines them to be. He is filled with so much hate and loathing for his fellow man, it's a wonder he can even leave the house and walk amongst us imperfect immoral mortals.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>He is filled with so much hate and loathing for his fellow man, it's a wonder he can even leave the house and walk amongst us imperfect immoral mortals.<< And that's the problem, isn't it? Since he does all of his hating and his judging while wrapped in the cloak of religion, he's actually defended by people on this thread - and not just Josh. I guarantee you, if someone were behaving the way Cameron does and treating people the way Cameron does, no one would be saying, "Aw shucks guys, he's just saying what he believes. Why all the hatred?" I suspect you wouldn't even be hearing that if he were a Muslim doing it. Instead, he'd probably be linked to terrorists. But the mentality is the same.
Originally Posted By utahjosh I don't see hate coming from Cameron. I see it from you guys toward his types.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I don't see hate coming from Cameron. I see it from you guys toward his types.<< Then you need to take off your rose-colored glasses and look a little harder. I don't hate Cameron - though I certainly don't like him nor do I respect him. But that's neither here nor there. I'm not a Christian and am under no obligation to love everyone. Cameron, on the other hand, should be. But he doesn't. He's a hypocrite and he's changing facts to suit his own purpose. That should be condemned, not defended just because he believes it. People can believe anything - that's why it's called belief. It doesn't make what they believe worthwhile or worthy of defense.
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn To me, Darwin does not explain creation. The two subjects (creation and evolution) are not even able to be related.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<I don't see hate coming from Cameron. I see it from you guys toward his types.>> If you cannot see hatred from Cameron toward those individuals who do not believe the same fundamentalist Christian views as he does, but only see hatred from those who oppose his beliefs and actions to perpetuate those beliefs... then you yourself are bigoted against non-Christians. You conveniently cannot see the imperfections in someone professing to be Christian, yet see plenty of imperfect behavior from those who do not. Could you possibly be anymore blindsided by your faith? You judge non-Christians and slam them for judging Christians. You judge them for being hateful and bigoted against Christians. Yet you yourself as a professed Christian are judging and slamming non-Christians. You're engaging in the very behavior you're criticizing us for engaging in. In my book, that's the very definition of "hypocrite."
Originally Posted By danyoung Folks, there's a huge difference between intent and perception. ecdc, your intent may have been to bash Cameron, but your post 26 was easily perceived as being anti-Christian. You can say otherwise all you want, but that's what I perceived when I read it. It took your later clarification for me to really understand what your true intent was, and I have no argument with that. As to Cameron, I haven't been aware of his other behaviors and history and whatnot. I just based peoples' reaction on what I read here. It does sound like he's carrying his faith a bit too far.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Where is the hate from Kirk Cameron? Can someone explain how he is showing hate?
Originally Posted By utahjosh I believe in following the perfect Jesus Christ. I encourage others to try to be like Him. But I am human and sin and make mistakes. So I'm always a hypocrite. No big deal.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster Try this Josh: <a href="http://blog.mrm.org/2009/04/way-of-the-master-on-mormonism/" target="_blank">http://blog.mrm.org/2009/04/wa...rmonism/</a> Here is states that your religion was started by Satan among other nasty little tidbits and lies. Yeah he's a swell guy.
