Originally Posted By Dabob2 I just said this on another thread but... At a certain point, trying to apply logic to ridiculous assertions just ends up giving PP1313 the attention he craves.
Originally Posted By doombuggy "the attention he craves." Agreed and it's becoming psychotic using a sock puppet to basically talk with himself.
Originally Posted By PeterPan1313 >>>Those folks may know where the land MAY go, but not where the land WILL go. That decision hasn't been made yet.<<< They've already made the decision of where, it's the details, some of which will be revealed in concept art that need to be finalized. >>>Personally, and this is just my opinion, but maybe they will use the former Innoventions space for a Star Wars attraction.<<< The Star Wars plans, as already mentioned by Iger, are 'ambitious', on the scale of Carsland/Avatarland, if not bigger. >>>I believe you called them) know nothing whatever about what is going to happen right in front of them, why would totally unaffiliated "local motel" owners be privy to Disney's grand plans for a private Cast Member bridge? <<< Because Disney, as a courtesy, called the other motel owners and discussed their plans. Plus, local motel owners have their ears to the ground and are especially motivated to know about real estate happenings around their property, why would castmembers care what happens on the other side of Harbor and how would they have the time/connections to figure out what is going on there? >>>When do they start construction on Trainsland again? You know, the big rumor you also "broke" ON THIS SITE?<<< I said that Pixar was looking at a Trains picture and they might put it in DCA (if not in a foreign theme park at some point, hint, hint, a foreign Disney park without a train . . .) I guess you're probably shocked that Disney blue skies stuff all the time!
Originally Posted By monorailblue Why would CMs who suffer from horrific parking frequently be at all interested in Disney's private CM street crossing (your description, not mine)? I can think of no reason. You didn't just say Pixar was considering a Trains movie--you bought an April Fool's joke hook line and sinker and announced that Disney had plans to convert Paradise Pier to a Trainsland. You even added that a new train ride would go under the Performance Corridor (although I think you mistakenly called it the parade route). You never did explain how that would work with the extended Red Car Trolley to Star Wars that you also announced.
Originally Posted By Disneylandfan85 >>The Star Wars plans, as already mentioned by Iger, are 'ambitious', on the scale of Carsland/Avatarland, if not bigger.<< But we don't really know where that is going. Some have speculated that it could be at the Studios in Florida, which I think makes a lot more sense than trying to force into a space at the Disneyland Resort.
Originally Posted By monorailblue Disneyland Park has no space available in any direction on that scale without removing something. DCA has lots of random space, but, again, nothing on that scale available in any direction. There is no possibility that Star Wars will be located behind a pseudo-wooden roller coaster across the street from DCA and still be operated as "within" DCA. Star tours, operating since January 1987 (I was there on day 2 of the 60 hour party!) is definitely a fan favorite, and if Iger's comments about not removing favorites / classics applies to anything (it doesn't--as it was obviously a meaningless statement), it will mean that Star Tours isn't going anywhere--including being relocated. Disney simply doesn't do things like gajillion dollar relocations of existing Attractions.
Originally Posted By monorailblue Speaking of, here's a proposal: PeopleMover track repurposed into something slow but ostensibly Star Wars themed. Load and unload shifts to Innoventions building. Starcade (up and down) and Tomorrowland Theater repurposed into I don't know what that is Star Wars themed. Space Mountain gets new rockets with more Star Wars-ish themeing; interior themeing is Star Wars-ified and some sort of story is created. Interior Ghost Galaxy effects and soundtrack tweaked for Star Wars-ish purposes. Astro Orbiter glows away forever; Observatron or new mechanism rebuilt in glory; new vehicles are Star Wars-ish. Red Rocketts becomes a Star Wars universe eatery. Boom--4 Star Wars Attractions (= "Huuuuge presence!!!!!") without 'removing' much of anything. All clumped together nicely. Roll out more in later phases as desired.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ I think that is the most likely Star Wars development for DL... really, the only one that makes any sense at all.
Originally Posted By PeterPan1313 >>>DCA has lots of random space, but, again, nothing on that scale available in any direction. There is no possibility that Star Wars will be located behind a pseudo-wooden roller coaster across the street from DCA and still be operated as "within" DCA.<< Why not? The distance from BVS to Simba's putative guests areas is about the same as the distance from DL's entrance to Toontown. >>>Star tours, operating since January 1987 (I was there on day 2 of the 60 hour party!) is definitely a fan favorite, and if Iger's comments about not removing favorites / classics applies to anything (it doesn't--as it was obviously a meaningless statement), it will mean that Star Tours isn't going anywhere--including being relocated. Disney simply doesn't do things like gajillion dollar relocations of existing Attractions.<<< 1. They wouldn't physically remove the Star Tours building, it would be re-purposed, probably to a Guardians of the Galaxy theme with a new attraction. 2. SWLand is *so* much bigger than Star Tours, SWLand will get a spaceship ride/simulator, but it will be next gen ride tech and will blow Star Tours out of the water. Current Star Tours animatronics will be repurposed. Nobody will look at SWLand and say, "gee, I wish they had Star Tours instead of these awesome SW E- and D-Tickets."
Originally Posted By Disneylandfan85 >>PeopleMover track repurposed into something slow but ostensibly Star Wars themed. Load and unload shifts to Innoventions building.<< Well, they did gut the Innoventions building, at least the lower floor, so that is why I'm speculating and hoping that that is where Star Wars anything will go at Disneyland.
Originally Posted By Disneylandfan85 I just have one question: Why is it that while the majority of us, either at MiceChat, here on LaughingPlace, or even at Disney itself, apparently, are all relatively ambivalent about where Star Wars anything will go at Disneyland, the people at WDWMagic.com all remain adamant about such, that they know without about where it's going to go (where Toontown and the Big Thunder Ranch and backstage areas are)? That's what I want to know, how can they at one site know for sure while the rest of don't?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros It all depends on who your source of information is. LP itself has never been a particularly great place to pick up on rumors, as the official articles wait until the information is publically announced. Throughout its history, LP discussions have been more of an aggregator of the news and rumors from all over the place, while the other sites tend to stick to what's been posted to that site In a way, I think "ambivalent" is a good word to describe how a lot of DLR people feel about Star Wars coming. Sure, it would be nice, but it's not something that we've all been drooling over for decades; it's sort of like the general "meh" reaction when they announced Avatar for WDW. Although Star Tours has been around for decades and is part of the DL experience, it's just a small part of a large whole. The DLR-centric sites like LP and MiceAge tend to reflect that overall sentiment. WDWMagic on the other hand is full of people who are used to WDW and its annual Star Wars Weekends, where Star Wars has been much more integrated with the Disney experience for many years (long before the Lucas acquisition). They get this tease of what Disney and Star Wars could be, and then it gets taken away. Since there's this built in affinity for it, I think that the WDW fans are more likely and more willing to put in the legwork to find out what's going on with it. They seem to have more of an investment (so to speak) in Star Wars, wherever it ends up, than the DLR audience who seems to have more of a "take it or leave it" approach to the matter
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Why is it that while the majority of us, either at MiceChat, here on LaughingPlace, or even at Disney itself, apparently, are all relatively ambivalent about where Star Wars anything will go at Disneyland, the people at WDWMagic.com all remain adamant about such, that they know without about where it's going to go (where Toontown and the Big Thunder Ranch and backstage areas are)? That's what I want to know, how can they at one site know for sure while the rest of don't?>> They aren't sure. They don't know diddly-squat more than anyone else. It is just the position they take. Just as newspapers have an editorial point of view, so do websites. People gravitate to websites that tend to reflect their own point of view.
Originally Posted By Disneylandfan85 >>Ever since Doobie moved to Florida, insider connections became rarer.<< Is that for LaughingPlace.com or just in general?
Originally Posted By Disneylandfan85 I meant to post this a lot earlier: >>WDWMagic [...] is full of people who are used to WDW and its annual Star Wars Weekends, where Star Wars has been much more integrated with the Disney experience for many years (long before the Lucas acquisition). They get this tease of what Disney and Star Wars could be, and then it gets taken away. Since there's this built in affinity for it, I think that the WDW fans are more likely and more willing to put in the legwork to find out what's going on with it. They seem to have more of an investment (so to speak) in Star Wars, wherever it ends up, than the DLR audience...<< I think I know the answer already, but when you say "legwork", do you mean that the WDW people are more likely to delve into what is going to happen with Star Wars at the parks? Another reason why I brought up the issue of WDWMagic.com on Star Wars as opposed to everyone else is that while, even now still, they seem to stick by Star Wars replacing Toontown at Disneyland (at least WDW1974 does), I've noticed a visible lack of mention on their part about the (seemingly partial) gutting of Innoventions. Granted, no one knows what may happen with it, but I have been checking any news about Star Wars at Disneyland, and I think the last time they mentioned it as replacement for Toontown was probably in March. Since then, however, it seems to point in the general direction of Innoventions. Even then, though, more recent articles covering the Disneyland 60th anniversary mentioned the powers at Disney as relatively elusive on the matter. That was also the reason why I had brought up the idea that they are apparently as ambivalent about this as we are.
Originally Posted By Dis-Philip Disneylandfan85, please stop bringing it up. It's annoying and agitating and it's already been reaffirmed countless times that the WDWMagicers, et al. are indeed lying. How many times must PeterPan1313 and I get such cold hard facts through your thick skull?! Hope Peter comes back again soon to set you straight, 85.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>I think I know the answer already, but when you say "legwork", do you mean that the WDW people are more likely to delve into what is going to happen with Star Wars at the parks?<< Pretty much. In general, it seems like WDW fans are more willing to actively pursue information about Star Wars than DLR fans (though there are always exceptions). I suspect that most DLR folks would be interested to know what's going on if someone were to offer the information, but not enough to really hunt around and find it themselves >>...I've noticed a visible lack of mention on their part about the (seemingly partial) gutting of Innoventions.<< That's because it's of little consequence to WDW locals. They have more pressing concerns (like the gradual gutting of their own Innoventions, which has been slowly dying for years) which they're more likely to care about. Given how little DLR fans care about Innoventions (was there *any* outcry about it getting closed? that must be a first for the overly-passionate APers), I can't expect someone on the opposite coast to care any more than they do >>How many times must PeterPan1313 and I get such cold hard facts through your thick skull?! << Playing fast and loose with the definition of "facts" again, are we?
