Originally Posted By CuriousConstance ""I'm not a big fan of Disney doing non Disney things either." Disney has actually owned the rights to all the Oz books except The Wizard of Oz for decades. In fact, I seem to recall reading something once about Walt Disney announcing a Disney produced Wizard of Oz film back in the 60s. Disney did eventually produce Return to Oz, which was something of a flop." I guess when I say I'm not a fan of Disney doing non Disney stuff, I guess I should define "non Disney stuff" as things I personally don't equate or relate to Disney at all
Originally Posted By oc_dean I can take ease with this crazy rumor (as I prefer something original that is not a new land, but a seriously needed "extension" to Frontierland). All anyone has to do is google: Warner Brothers - Rights - Legal - Wizard of Oz - Disney I have no idea what is keeping the "Oz" portion in the Great Movie Ride going in Florida .... but the few google stories I've pulled up .. is revealing some CONTENTIOUS situations between Warner Bros, and Disney ......... and I think legally speaking ..... WDI can "blue sky" till they are blue in face. But my gut feeling on this one is - Disney will stay away from an OZ Land in DL with a 100 mile long pole, to avoid lawsuits from Warner Bros! Warner Bros. was planning a "Wizard of Oz" film as well. I'm not sure what's going on. And James Franco over Robert Downey Jr.? Too bad he bowed out. Downey would have been PERFECT!
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I have no idea what is keeping the "Oz" portion in the Great Movie Ride going in Florida .... << Royalty payments. In fact, the original scene was supposed to be a lot longer, but MGM wasn't having any of that. By the way, this wouldn't be the first non-MGM Land of Oz to be up and running in the USA. In fact, the original one still exists, sort of. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Oz_%28theme_park%29" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L..._park%29</a> <a href="http://www.emeraldmtn.com/LandofOz/landofoz.html" target="_blank">http://www.emeraldmtn.com/Land...foz.html</a> <a href="http://www.emeraldmtn.com/Gallery/oz/earlyoz/ozwebe/oze.html" target="_blank">http://www.emeraldmtn.com/Gall...oze.html</a> <a href="http://www.markturner.com/land_of_oz-2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.markturner.com/land...oz-2.htm</a> <a href="http://www.examiner.com/travel-photography-in-charlotte/autumn-at-oz-2010-the-40th-anniversary-of-the-land-of-oz-at-beech-mountain-nc" target="_blank">http://www.examiner.com/travel...ntain-nc</a> I visited this theme park a couple of times as a small kid. We still have that souvenir book and a few short (and sadly silent) clips of the witch on home movies. The only thing I really remember, though, was getting beaned on the head, hard, while trying to board the balloon ride. Hey, that might explain a few things.
Originally Posted By tonyanton I believe most (if not all) of the books are in the public domain at this point. Disney paid MGM in the early '80s for the ruby slipper rights. The musical "Wicked" uses the original silver slippers.
Originally Posted By DBitz2 >>...I seem to recall reading something once about Walt Disney announcing a Disney produced Wizard of Oz film back in the 60s. Disney did eventually produce Return to Oz, which was something of a flop.<< Walt did have plans for an Oz film, in the 1950's. It is referred to in "The Fourth Anniversary Show" episode of the anthology show that aired on September 11, 1957, where some of the Mouseketeers perform a musical and dance number for it, "Rainbow Road to Oz". Walt also considered at least one Oz related addition to Disneyland. See - <a href="http://www.theneverlandfiles.com/tnf/disneyland/candymountain.php" target="_blank">http://www.theneverlandfiles.c...tain.php</a>
Originally Posted By hbquikcomjamesl I consider the 1939 MGM movie of The Wizard of Oz to be a shining example of how NOT to adapt a book to the screen. It was filled with a mix of pointless changes (the aforementioned "ruby slippers" being the most spectacular example thereof) and changes that fundamentally gut the story (the whole business of Oz being a dream, something that Baum left ambiguous in the first few books, before coming down decisively on the "NOT a dream" side, when he brought a bankrupt-and-facing-forclosure Aunt Em and Uncle Henry to Oz, as permanent residents). As much as I despise the idea of using copyright to suppress a work of intellectual property, if I were somehow to acquire the rights to that waste of perfectly good cellulose triacetate, I might have difficulty holding back my urge to take it permanently out of (legal) circulation.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: From what my sisters and I have read, Darlene Gilespi would have played Dorothy Gale in the Disney movie about Oz and Annette would have portrayed Ozma. There were at least 3 new songs written for Rainbow Road to Oz and they were performed on one of the Mickey Mouse Club shows. ORWEN: But it seems Uncle Walt realized there would be too many comparisons between his version of Oz and M-G-M's The Wizard of Oz so he abandoned the whole idea. ORDDU: As a result, he did a totally different musical fantasy which we know as BABES IN TOYLAND. Ironically, Ray Boldger, was part of cast and we all remember him as being the scarecrow in M-G-M's Wizard of Oz.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt The toy soldiers from the Disney Christmas parades come from that film. There was also an attraction/exhibit on Main Street where the Lincoln show is that showcased sets from the movie: <a href="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2638/3895674402_2801bc45d5.jpg" target="_blank">http://farm3.static.flickr.com...45d5.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By tashajilek I am seriously really impressed with how Carsland is turning out so im sure it could turn out wonderful. If Disney really wants to make a OZ land im sure they will find a way. Hopefully "if" this were to happen DL would add this land as well as fixing up Tomorrowland. With all the changes at DCA there is no reason to believe DL cant go through dramatic changes too.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: That's right, Dr. Hans, duckling! Those Toy Soldiers from Babes in Toyland have always been special to this coven because we always loved that movie, too--especially the songs from it!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I am seriously really impressed with how Carsland is turning out so im sure it could turn out wonderful. If Disney really wants to make a OZ land im sure they will find a way." That's kind of what I was getting at earlier Tasha. I'm really amazed by what the Imagineers have done with Cars Land. It sounded like a dumb idea, but the execution looks to be superb.
Originally Posted By tashajilek Thats kind of how i feel about Avatarland, but i will give it a chance if it turns out amazing. The great thing about Carsland is when i look at the land you dont even really think about the Cars franchise. Im sure there will be Cars crap everywhere, but i will just ignore it lol.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Few people know the secondary Oz stories either." Well, I was assuming a successful Disney franchise would change this. And no matter how many Snow White stories there are, Oz still has much much more potential for creativity & diversity. "It was filled with a mix of pointless changes (the aforementioned "ruby slippers" being the most spectacular example thereof" Nothing pointless about that change.
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL >>>"I am seriously really impressed with how Carsland is turning out so im sure it could turn out wonderful. If Disney really wants to make a OZ land im sure they will find a way."<<< It certainly looks good, I will definitely give them that. But, I have a sinking feeling the attractions are going to be less impressive. Luigi's and Mater's have no appeal to me and the interior scenes of RSR's leave me with quite a bit of doubt. I really hope I am wrong on this and am waiting to see it in action, but.....
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Well, I said that about the entire DCA expansion when it was first announced. The only real blockbusters in the mix are WoC and the Racers. The rest of the attractions, including the much talked about Flying Tires, don't seem all that impressive to me. The thing I'm looking forward to most is Buena Vista Street.
Originally Posted By tashajilek In reality there is no way they could put in 2 E tickets. I think tires are a nice change, id rather have the flying tires over another spinner type ride. Plus they do have to have something for Children too. Is there going to be any form of entertainment in CL???
Originally Posted By oc_dean May I take everyone, for a moment please ... On a trip back in time. To 1976/77 ... when Discovery Bay was on imagineering's drawing boards ... and see for yourselves .. an unusual coincidence: What's that in the upper right corner? <a href="http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo294/krellday/Jules%20Verne/DiscoveryBayModel.jpg" target="_blank">http://i385.photobucket.com/al...odel.jpg</a> The Western Balloon Ascent. What does Professor Marvel travel on, to get to the land of Oz? And speaking of Professor Marvel: <a href="http://www.theneverlandfiles.com/tnf/disneyland/professormarvelsgallery.php" target="_blank">http://www.theneverlandfiles.c...lery.php</a> Both, nothing to do with the "Oz" books. Inspired by? Perhaps. But there you go! If it were possible, legal issues aside with Warner Brothers .... I can almost see Discovery Bay "revisited". Anyone can pretty much draw their own conclusion .. on how to rework Discovery Bay into "Oz-bay" ... sort of. <a href="http://www.theneverlandfiles.com/tnf/disneyland/discoverybay.php" target="_blank">http://www.theneverlandfiles.c...ybay.php</a> The 2 E Tickets: Island At The Top Of The World, and Lost River World .. locations both re-worked as 2 E Tickets for Oz land. But at the end of day .... I see too many issues with Warner Brothers, and a fight to keep Disney doing anything that resembles the 1939 film which Warner Bros. own, lock-stock-and-barrel! How do you create a land, that looks nothing like the world, created by MGM back in 1939 ... and still have a land, that people recognize as "Oz"? This idea ... just might fall into the same pile where Mary Poppins, TL:2055, Tron ride, Discovery Bay, Geyser Mountain, and a remaining number of ideas, that goes on, and on, and on.
Originally Posted By Manfried Disneyland will never be complete as long as there is imagination left in the world. Amended....Disneyland will never be complete as long as the Imagineers can steal ideas from others instead of coming up with new ideas on their own.
Originally Posted By oc_dean No matter how good Carsland comes out ... I'm not exactly thrilled with Disney taking a turn for lands that are locked completely to ONE brand/franchise. Even Discovery Bay ... was never souly meant to be all one "Island at the top of the world" land. Imagine if New Orleans Square was a "PiratesoftheCaribbean Land" when finished in 1967 - Then say to the idea of a Haunted Mansion ... "OH SORRY! If it's not themed to Pirates .. forget it." Imagine that idea! I'd love of it everyone gung-ho for ANOTHER venture in BRANDING/FRANCHISING/SYNERGIZING ..... examine the concept to a pirate ride (pre Jack Sparrow) .. or a Haunted Mansion ride .... that don't take you on a passive journey to SOMEONE else's adventure - But put YOU in the center .. and imagine these surreal environments as your own! (Let your imagination take off, and envision that 15 minute ride, as your OWN adventure). So imagine, if you will, a new extension in Frontierland .. with original rides (aka Haunted Mansion/PotC) with enough BACK-story .... where your imagination places YOU in the center of it all. Or would you prefer a passive journey, watching characters from "insert film here" ... on about THEIR journey? Tell me which one is more stimulating to your senses. (May make you wonder why some rides are still around today, with "classic" appeal - Here's a few: Matterhorn, Jungle Cruise, PotC pre '06, H.M., etc)
