Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "and Universal is not calculating? Every succesful business knows how to manipulate people into suppoerting their product, not sure why you are implying Universal is better than Disney when it comes to that." Oh I KNOW they are a business as well. I think what people like yatesy, davewasbaloo and myself are talking about is that we are GLAD there is a theme park company actually doing quality design and construction that creates immersive surroundings and attractions and not just, "We have a new marketing campaign for you all this year and that is JUST AS GOOD as a new E ticket!!!!" or, perhaps worse, "Instead of a multi-million dollar addition we will give you some princess meet and greets and some colouring in stations!" If Disney was doing something AS GOOD as what IOA is building(you know, like they USED to!), we'd be singing Disney's praises just as loudly. And before you harp on with the, "If you like it so much, why are you HERE?" tired refrain, we WANT TO be able to sing Disney's praises because we know they USED TO be able to do this. Ask yourself this; Wouldn't YOU want Disney to do something of this calibre, again?
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Wouldn't YOU want Disney to do something of this calibre, again?>> They are. They're called WoC, the Little Mermaid, and Cars Land.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Carsland and WoC I'll give you may be on the caliber of something like Forbidden Journey, but it's on a whole other stratosphere than Little Mermaid.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 Well, it's all subjective but I am referring to immersive surroundings, architecture, placemaking and, from all counts(since you and I are both talking about attractions yet to be experienced by the ticket-paying general public)one of the best omnimover dark rides in the world. As wonderful as WoC sounds(comparing that, since they both open a week within each other), I would trade HP for it any day of the week. I LOVE the sense of "being" in a place, aided by sounds, sights, smells and the immersion that true imagineers can create. WoC is a show, while TWWoHP is an experience of being somewhere else. Maybe it's just different tastes and different expectations. Maybe it's one person being able to see beyond blind company loyalty and look where somebody else is doing as good or better, for a wonderful experience. I refuse to even enter into a discussion about TLM or Carsland because they are both so far off right now as to be almost non-existent. All I know is that HP opens in six weeks and it is going to be a paradigm shift for theme parks in Orlando.....and Disney won't be responsible. And that is very sad.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 Have you even seen any of the photos for TWWoHP? Until you do, there is nothing else to discuss.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<How do you know that?>> I'm going to guess this was directed at me. Because LM will be a nice D ticket dark ride, where as Forbidden Journey is going to be an industry pushing, breathtaking dark/thrill E+ ticket ride that will awe people.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Have you even seen any of the photos for TWWoHP?>> Yes. I think it's outstanding work. But Cars Land looks to be outstanding work too.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 I agree it MAY be, when it is done. I was talking about what is here and now. TWWoHP IS incredible(from finished photos). I hope, along with you and others that Carsland(still hate the name)will be an incredible experience, too. Let's hope that Disney has turned a corner, but let's also hope it's not too late.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer But themed to the hilt, longer, and more reliable. Better than all of them, really, is JTTCOTE...But that's just because of the theming. And because Verne= instant win.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<Radiator Springs Racers is just Test Track 2.0>> That's kind of like saying Tower of Terror is Mailiboomer 2.0. I mean, one is an immersive, fully themed environment with AA's and other effects - the other is a ride through an almost empty warehouse with minimal theming and effects. I think the differences between Test Track and Cars are going to be huge.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<Let's hope that Disney has turned a corner, but let's also hope it's not too late.>> They may have out in Anaheim, but I'm not seeing ANYTHING on the horizon for WDW that can match Harry Potter. Hopefully they'll announce something soon, but I kind of doubt it.
Originally Posted By Krankenstein <And because Verne= instant win.> That's subjective... lol Seriously, HP looks like it will wipe the floor with anything Disney has done stateside in recent memory.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>They may have out in Anaheim, but I'm not seeing ANYTHING on the horizon for WDW that can match Harry Potter. Hopefully they'll announce something soon, but I kind of doubt it.<<< They have ideas, but of course, it needs funding and Management behind it. /Broken record >>> That's subjective... lol<<< Not a Verne fan?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Better than all of them, really, is JTTCOTE...But that's just because of the theming.>> I'd rather have Radiator Springs Racers than Journey. Journey's pretty, but it's short, and it does not look thrilling at all. If a ride is short, it better be thrilling. And neither will beat FJ...
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Really? Synergy over something classic, original, and as you say, for the "over 12 crowd"? Your opinion...but...Bleh!
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Really? Synergy over something classic, original, and as you say, for the "over 12 crowd"?>> Well RSRs is for the over 12 crowd, so I'll throw that part of the argument out. And classic and original can't over come some pretty serious shortcomings, IMO. The AAs are cool and the theming is great, but again, the ride is really short, and lacking some definite thrill, and for a ride like that, it needs thrill. Again, I'll take a character ride if it turns out to be awesome, as RSRs looks to be.
