Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^^^^ It needs a night show, bad. That's all I can really think of that would correct this. Unless there's a plan for a land that makes it usable at night, too.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I'd bet my bottom dollar that it isn't economically sustainable in its current form. >>> How would you define "economically sustainable" in the context of EMH? Unlike the hard ticket events, there's no specific gate revenue that can be attributed to EMH at any of the parks, so I would think it difficult to make any sort of calculation. Do the profits from F&B and merchandise have to cover the additional labor to keep the park open?
Originally Posted By leemac <<^^^^ It needs a night show, bad. >> It isn't going to get one. It just isn't sustainable in the park. It would need to be an amphitheater-type show held away from the existing infrastructure.
Originally Posted By leemac <<How would you define "economically sustainable" in the context of EMH?>> It is complicated accounting. The resorts support EMH financially (i.e. a portion of their revenue goes to pay for EMH like it does to support all park benefits) and there is a minimum attendance number to support that revenue and that derived from extended hours - like F&B and merchandise.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<It isn't going to get one. It just isn't sustainable in the park. It would need to be an amphitheater-type show held away from the existing infrastructure. >> And how is that not sustainable? I just don't get that. The park is severely lacking in so many areas, something exciting needs to be done there.
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ It is still a big ask to get the animal programs folks to sign off on any large-scale spectacle. Rightly so considering that they are the primary residents of the park.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper I guess. But would a WoC type show really bother the animals that much? I mean animals survive thunderstorms, I don't see how something like that would cause them much distress.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>It isn't going to get one. It just isn't sustainable in the park. It would need to be an amphitheater-type show held away from the existing infrastructure.<<< Parades, projections, lights, ANYTHING but fireworks can be done. Fully agreed with Hokie, here.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Parades, projections, lights, ANYTHING but fireworks can be done. Fully agreed with Hokie, here.>> You missed one vital element that is the crux of the problem - noise. Next time you watch a show like World of Color or Fantasmic! think about the decibel level of the show, how sound travels and the impact that might have on the resident animals. It isn't fireworks per se at all - it is the noise pollution caused by any large scale show.
Originally Posted By CaptainMichael <<<as far as citywalk is converned- fine for adults, not as comfy for those with kids- which let's face it are a LOT of the people at WDW>>> Oh yes, there's really a shortage of family things to do.../sarcasm PI was for the rest of us who didn't want to be around whiny brats at MK as their parents dragged them around trying to milk every cent of their ticket at midnight.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>You missed one vital element that is the crux of the problem - noise. Next time you watch a show like World of Color or Fantasmic! think about the decibel level of the show, how sound travels and the impact that might have on the resident animals.<<< Parades are loud, they have those in DAK, too. I don't know, noise level seems like a weak excuse, when they already have a few loud things in the park. If it's such an issue, just build a new area for it. Add a lagoon somewhere. :lol:
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Oh yes, there's really a shortage of family things to do.../sarcasm PI was for the rest of us who didn't want to be around whiny brats at MK as their parents dragged them around trying to milk every cent of their ticket at midnight. ------------------------------ sorry, it is a rougher crowd than Downtown Disney for smaller kids - like it or not. As for the whiny brats - yeah it was better to be with overserved adults trying to pretend they were kids <sarcasm> they especially made for great bus passengers but I'm glad there was one congregation place. AS for me I choose to go to adult oriented places when I seek entertainment- plays / shows/ nice restaurants -- museums etc.. not a theme park. When I am there it is all about the kids... but that's just me..
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer "Aim for kids only, and you are dead." - Walt Disney. WDW is certainly child oriented, and rightfully so, but there needs to be things for other demographics to do. How else do you hold onto your market share? You'll loose guests.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer The guy clutching Mickey's hand in front of the Castle. It's close the the MSUSA Mall.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 "Aim for kids only, and you are dead." - Walt Disney. WDW is certainly child oriented, and rightfully so, but there needs to be things for other demographics to do. How else do you hold onto your market share? You'll loose guests. ----- none of us will ever know exactly what Walt meant so it's sort of a mute point, but I do know he was also good friends with Ray Kroc from McDonalds. When Ray was around he wanted more things in the restaurants to as point- of rinstance he didn't want pay phones because he didn't want people 'hanging around' them... Did Walt mean adult rides also- and shows - or did he mean on site bars and lounges ? Maybe both- don't know- but neither does anyone else. I can only share my experiences and some of them weren't pleasant. I don't travel with the family to WDW so that I can seek adult only entertainment. That doesn't make me right or wrong, it just makes me , well me. I love to go to Irish bars- and do so all the time at home, but the kids are not with me. I like comedy clubs and drinks with umbrella's in them at times- but again I separate that as much as possible from WDW. It's just an opinion folks- nothing more. Pleasure Island didn't have much to do with my vacations there, as we did not go there- so my only interactions were late nite bus rides with some who did. Now could they get loaded in their DVC units just as easily- you bet.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I can only share my experiences and some of them weren't pleasant.>> Sure, and I've had a ridiculous amount of terrible experiences with completely sober soccer moms in the parks. Much more than any time I was in PI or drinking around the world in Epcot. Should we get rid of soccer moms at the park too?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I can only share my experiences- I think I've mentioned that. The ones I had were fueled by liquor- and lots of it. You can wash that away because some soccer Mom ( are you sure it was soccer ?) - snarled at you- that's fine. better than cleaning up puke off of an umbrella stroller while some retard who was reliving his college days stumbles around the bus- pretty similar- I can see your point. I stand corrected
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I can only share my experiences- I think I've mentioned that. The ones I had were fueled by liquor- and lots of it. You can wash that away because some soccer Mom ( are you sure it was soccer ?) - snarled at you- that's fine. better than cleaning up puke off of an umbrella stroller while some retard who was reliving his college days stumbles around the bus- pretty similar- I can see your point. I stand corrected>> Sure are similar. Two people acting obnoxiously. I also have been threatened by idiots for accidentally bumping into them. I've also been pushed for the same thing. Point is you should punish the masses for what a select group of dumbasses do.
