Originally Posted By 1313WEBFOOTWALK >>maybe God wanted the child back "home" in heaven and chose this path as a way to take him<< WHOEVER thinks this about God obviously does not worship the same God I do. The bible plainly says 'time and unforseen occurence befall them all' and ' with evil things God cannot be tried'. Bad things happen. It is a result of human imperfection. I am a mother of a five year old and if someone told me the above words to bring me comfort I would be apalled. I don't want to start a biblical debate here but that was really just too much.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys As I read some of the posts in this thread I sit in amazement. Why does there always have to be someone at fault ? Isn't it possible that things can happen with no explanation? Isn't it possible that that child could just as well have died doing almost anything else? Could it be that it was the childs time to go? IMO, there is no blame here to be placed on anyone, the parent or Disney. Let's just consider it an unfortunate, tragic loss of life just as we would if the child had died in his sleep.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN I still claim the boy died of "fear". No physical trauma, no mechanical issues with the ride... what else could it be??
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys ... and i doubt if God wanted the child "back home". God gave us free will. That free will enables murderers to murder, rapists to rape and child molesters to molest. I doubt if God wants any of his children to befall any of them so he can have someone "back home".
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys In my case, I'm not so sure where "back home" is, but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with DVC.)
Originally Posted By trailsend <Well.. God sure was in top form during that "10 Commandments" movie... > hmmmmm . . . sound a little touchy there, TDLFAN. Bothered a lot about Christianity? Don't let it bother you so . . . it will always survive and nothing you can say will make it ever go away . . .
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<>>maybe God wanted the child back "home" in heaven and chose this path as a way to take him<< The "mother" in the pit bull mauling incident used the same line, and it was absolutely filthy then, too. YUCK.>> You people are really crappy. There are a pretty large number of people in certain denominations that would AGREE with the original statement 100%. Who ARE YOU PEOPLE that think you can knock someone else's religious beliefs? You are all very, very small people. Of course if the poster had talked about "going home to Allah" it probably would have been more easily accepted. Pathetic. I don’t agree with that viewpoint, but I’m sure not going to ridicule someone else for having it.
Originally Posted By jdub )))<<>>maybe God wanted the child back "home" in heaven and chose this path as a way to take him<< The "mother" in the pit bull mauling incident used the same line, and it was absolutely filthy then, too. YUCK.>> You people are really crappy. There are a pretty large number of people in certain denominations that would AGREE with the original statement 100%. Who ARE YOU PEOPLE that think you can knock someone else's religious beliefs?(( I can't think of anything more offensive to say to a person in grief than any variation of "it was their time/God was calling them home." It may be the person's personal spiritual view, but to say it to a grieving person is worse than giving them a cold-cock punch in the face. And no, "going home to Allah" would not have been more easily accepted, but thanks for that and all the other praise.
Originally Posted By 1313WEBFOOTWALK <Well.. God sure was in top form during that "10 Commandments" movie... > yeah, Charlton Heston was extremely difficult to work with , I hear...ha.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<but thanks for that and all the other praise.>> I re-read my post just now and agree that it was harsher than called for. At the same time, I thought it was very unfair that the poster was jumped on by about a half dozen people for a statement that would be considered appropriate for a fair number of Christians. <<I can't think of anything more offensive to say to a person in grief than any variation of "it was their time/God was calling them home." >> The person quoted in this thread WAS a grieving person, so obviously the phrase would not always be offensive. In fact it is probably comforting for people with those beliefs.
Originally Posted By jdub )))<<I can't think of anything more offensive to say to a person in grief than any variation of "it was their time/God was calling them home." >> The person quoted in this thread WAS a grieving person, so obviously the phrase would not always be offensive. In fact it is probably comforting for people with those beliefs.((( Someone using the words needs to know FIRST whether the grieving person is of the belief that God "brings home" children in horrible accidents because it is "their time" to "come home and help Him." While, as you say, "it is probably comforting for people with those beliefs," I would say it comes off as offensive and insensitive to the rest of us. There always seems to be someone around to make this kind of statement, whether or not the people in grief feel the same way. I think I would never want to see the speaker again, if it happened to me.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m << I would say it comes off as offensive and insensitive to the rest of us. >> I must agree 100%. If someone tried telling me that garbage after my son died (no, I didn't lose a son, just saying if it happened), I'd flip out on them for being so insensitive. The other things I love (NOT) are when someone's elderly parent dies and the person sharing their condolences (sp?) says "At least they led a long life". As if that is supposed to make you feel better immediately following their death. Or when someone is sick before they die and someone says "At least they are in a better place" or "At least they are no longer suffering." Yeah, cause that makes me feel better about someone I love dying. You might be able to think those things a few years after the death, but immediately following the death none of these comments helps comfort you.
Originally Posted By MissCandice No, but it's hard to think of something to say when someone is grieving, so people most often turn to platitudes or religious comfort. Even though I would not appreciate someone saying to me "God wanted them home" or something to that effect I would try to appreciate that they ARE trying to comfort me. Of course, if they know me at all they would know I am atheist so that would be silly of them to say that, but I digress. It just really is hard to say "the right thing" when trying to comfort someone who is grieving.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<It just really is hard to say "the right thing" when trying to comfort someone who is grieving.>> This is why I always just say "I’m so sorry" and leave it at that. But I believe many people think that is trite and inadequate, so they try to come up with something more.
Originally Posted By EpcotRules "While, as you say, "it is probably comforting for people with those beliefs," I would say it comes off as offensive and insensitive to the rest of us."<<< I'll make one statement here and then be gone. If the statement was not directed at you then not only should you not be offended but you should basically not be anything. It's none of your business. Since the statement was not too you then why are you responding at all. That is part of the problem with todays society everyone, both side, thinks everyone has to yield to thier personal beliefs. I don't know if the grieving person believes it or not but it was a human being attempting to reach out to another human being the best way they knew how. If they didn't agree then they can just ignore it, if they did it might have been comforting to them. Why must it be such a big deal.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<I'll make one statement here and then be gone. << I love post and run people.
Originally Posted By jkayjs Does anyone have a map to where this thread started? There are two tragedies here. 1)a small child died, 2)is the direction this thread has taken. What may have started as a healthy debate is now reactive and nonproductive resulting in what appears to be anger and hurt feelings. Perhaps I'm reading this all wrong but suspect not. Just a thought.
