Originally Posted By jdub ))<<It just really is hard to say "the right thing" when trying to comfort someone who is grieving.>> This is why I always just say "I’m so sorry" and leave it at that. But I believe many people think that is trite and inadequate, so they try to come up with something more.(( Absolutely, on all counts. I don't think most people know what to say to a grieving person; it's an uncomfortable situation, and often a challenge NOT to put a foot in one's own mouth. The "I'm so sorry route," is plenty good enough, and if you knew the person, maybe sharing a short positive story, or simply, "I'll miss her, too." Unless the person who died was a male.
Originally Posted By 1313WEBFOOTWALK I like to ask 'do you think you'll see them again?' Even if the person is not a christian they are usually pleased w/ the positive spin of that question. And it almost always leads to a good conversation and plenty of oppurtunities to share upbuilding scriptures or thoughts. I'm a minister though, so that's my job.
Originally Posted By CMM1 While I can sympathsize with all who have been willing to share their religious viewpoints on this topic and certainly wish in no way to trivialize the death of a human being (as any comments on this situation might be construed), I still feel that there seems to be a lot of questions unanswered in terms of the Mission:Space attraction. Does this type of attraction push the envelope of "thrill rides" a bit too far in terms of stresses on the body that cannot be perceived or at least adjusted for by the riders? On a roller coaster or a free-fall ride or a spinning ride, there is at least some sort of expectation of stress or motion that a rider can perceive and perhaps adjust to - in an enclosed environment such as Mission:Space there is no such "grounding" mechnisim for the rider - it is simply stress on the body as the ride applies it and is this something that some individuals, perhaps more than one usually finds in a theme park situation, will find puts them at risk? Fighter pilots learn to breath properly, grunt appropriately when experiencing g-forces in turns and rely a lot upon the anticipation and their reaction to various stresses that they know will affect them - how can riders on an enclosed ride system, with absolutely no training in g-force reactions, know how to handle such physical sensations? I wonder how many riders Mission:Space would get if riders were able to see exactly what they were signing up for before they got on the ride? It's one thing to walk into a gleaming ride building and board what seems to be just another "Disney" friendly kind of ride, but if the type of ride mechanism being used was outside or visible at some point, how many persons would opt for that kind of ride? In the first few incarnations of Space Mountain, Disney made it possible for potential riders to see the ride before going on it and had "chicken exits" in place to allow those uncomfortable with the concept of the ride to exit. Should Mission:Space provide a bit more in the way of explanation of the ride technology, the stresses and such before the ride takes place so as to make all potential riders aware of what they will experience before going on the attraction?
Originally Posted By EpcotRules If I remember correctly they show a number of videos displaying the actual ride vehicles, externally. It shows them spinning and is obviously a centrifuge. No one knows exactly how anything, including crossing the road, will effect the body until they have experienced it. I am not sure where I am going with this except to say that I knew completely what the ride was before I ever rode it and in spite of this societies goal of being positive that everyone, except themselves, is dumber than a bucket of rocks, I do believe that most know exactly what they are getting into. They don't know how thier body will react to it but that's why they call it a thrill ride.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss FWIW, the amount of G's that are experienced on MS are far lower than anything a fighter pilot or astronaut has to deal with. One thing that hasn't been mentioned in all of this: doesn't Disney have cameras in every ride vehicle? If so, are riders merely monitored, or is any video recorded? Not that it would really show anything...
Originally Posted By crazyformickey I do remember while waiting in line to get on the ride they do show a video of what the ride is like so it's not like it would be a surprise when you get on.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Okay - so I read thru the entire thread -- and instead of being about the fact that a child died, and yes maybe Disney if for no other reason other than respect to the family should have closed the ride for a short period of time.....the main fact is accidents happen -- there always isn't a definitive party that has to be wrong. Maybe the parents should have kept a 34 year old off --maybe Disney should have an age requirement-- the problem is who sets the standard ? How many people die of heart attacks on airplanes every year ---many. There are pressures exerted upon the body any time G forces are produced and or pressurization occurs -- causing defects in the body to become exagerrated. Yet flying is by far the safest mode of transportation..no one asks for them to stop flying to investigate each.... 8,000,000 + people have ridden MS and one died.....of undetermined causes. It stands to reason it is not the ride...look at the odds 1/700,000 to get struck by lightning 1/5,000,000 to be attacked by a shark 1/7,500,000 of dying on a plane The problem is having to assign blame somewhere. Yes, I as a parent would not let my 4 year old ride, but I don;t know that these parents had been on this ride before, so I give them a pass if not. If they had, then i think they were wrong, but that is only by my standards. I am not a Disney apologizt but again here I do not blame them either -- thhey are damned if they do and damned if they don;t on ride restrictions.......if one heeded every warning the attorney's have forced them to put up due to a sue happy country...no one would enter the parks. But to turn this into a smart alec spritzing topic is callous at best. The family lost a member of a happy outing, a tragic occurance for sure and I just hope that when all is done and said it is only viewed as what it was - a tagic occurance. Not Disney's fault, not the parents fault and not God's fault or doing.
Originally Posted By EpcotRules "So, has anyone heard the results from the second autopsy?" I've said it before, I'll say it again. Laws in this country are in place to protect the privacy of individuals. If the parents of the child decide that they do not want the results of the autopsy known by the general public then we will not know. Considering the quietness of everyone involved at this point I would have to guess that we will not be told. Guess we will have to satisfy our morbid curiousity some other way.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Alas, this is a police investigation, and the autopsy is part of the public record... The Orange County Law Enforcement spokesperson released the preliminary results, and will release the cause of death when it is determined... We might not get to see the entire report, unless it goes to court and placed in the record, but we should be told the basic findings....
Originally Posted By disney2268 Can someone tell me how many G's are experienced on M:S, and how many on the take off of RNR?
Originally Posted By Labuda On RnRC, you experience 5 Gs according to rcdb.com Mission: Space is about 2 or 2.3 Gs, but it's sustained for a longer time period
Originally Posted By maineiac as an expert on mission to mars after riding it 5 times this week i will let you know, it is very tame, there is no way mission to mars hurt that boy, but i must thank all you disney haters, the scare you put into everybody had mission to mars with a 5 minute wait time
Originally Posted By Tiggerthis maineiac-- Here here! Keep on scaring 'um haters while I ride 3 or 4 more times
Originally Posted By EpcotRules And if you think Mission to Mars is good, wait until you try Mission Space. Now that ride is awesome.
