Originally Posted By barboy ///Radiator Springs could easily be any part of the high desert of CA./// No, it could not "easily" be any part of the Cal's high desert........ the movie 'Cars' shows rock formations and waterfalls far more closely associated with Utah, Ariz and/or New Mexico. Cars(Rad. Springs portion anyway) is not set in California as *indicated* by the natural landscapes and as *proven* by exactly what Ferrot Afros contributed.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Even the preshow video was edited to drop the "Over California" from the intro, which causes Warburton to jump a little on the screen.< I think you've said that before, and it's just not true. I edit video for a living, and I can see even a single frame jump from a bad edit. There is no bad edit here - Patrick re-recorded his intro for the Florida version.
Originally Posted By dshyates OK, now you guys have done it, NOW I have to go to EPCOT just to see if there is a bad edit. I will go Thursday and report back.
Originally Posted By danyoung Thanks, yates - I could use some good industry eyes to confirm or deny my observation!
Originally Posted By dshyates Well, its a dirty job, but somebody has got to do it. I'll probably have to go ahead and ride it too so that I can report back on the dust on the film and to see if there are visible stains on the screen. And while I'm there I may just have to test the sushi over in Japan to see if it is still acceptable "Disney Quality". I haven't heard anything bad, but you never know. PS, I should probably see if they have flipped the switch turning on the big triangular video screens at the end of SSE.
Originally Posted By danyoung >And while I'm there I may just have to test the sushi over in Japan to see if it is still acceptable "Disney Quality".< I'll tell you what I've seen concerning scratches. It seems like they have a clear acrylic film that loops at high speed, basically brushing any dirt and junk out of the film. But for some reason on some of the screens this clear film will just stop for 10 seconds or so. And when it stops you can see every scratch and blip on it. Very very uncool - I don't know if they've fixed this problem or not.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 (ni teach): ///Radiator Springs could easily be any part of the high desert of CA./// <No, it could not "easily" be any part of the Cal's high desert........ the movie 'Cars' shows rock formations and waterfalls far more closely associated with Utah, Ariz and/or New Mexico.> "More closely associated" perhaps - but still present in CA. <Cars(Rad. Springs portion anyway) is not set in California as *indicated* by the natural landscapes and as *proven* by exactly what Ferrot Afros contributed.> "Proven" by a line in the film. That most people won't realize or care about. Since CA has that kind of desert landscape, a long association with Route 66, is pretty much considered THE capital of "car culture" and has or had the very kind of architecture (teepee motels and similar "roadside attractions") seen in the concept art, this contradiction of one line in a film seems far less egregious than plenty of other Disney park theming choices. Radiator Springs doesn't actually exist. It's a fictional place that in a fictional film had one line referring to it as elsewhere than CA (but probably only 50 miles east of the border or so). Compare that to, oh, the classic Jungle Cruise. The Nile, Amazon, and the Mekong are all real rivers. And in the real world, they don't, you know, CONNECT with each other. And nowhere in the real world will you see African elephants and Indian elephants not 50 feet away from each other. And some of the plants when you're supposed to be on the Nile are all wrong. Etc. etc. etc. DL has always called the Jungle Cruise "the jungle rivers of the world." So you can either accept that, suspend that little piece of disbelief, and enjoy the ride...or you can get all huffy and pedantic about it. DCA will call CarsLand California. You will have the same choice.
Originally Posted By dshyates Or they can just write "Welcome to California" on the backside of the Carsland sign, so that as you leave Carsland, you go back into "California".
Originally Posted By Daannzzz BUt I thought the Nile,Amazon and Mekong all connected together! If they don't then I think they should rip out the Jungle Cruise.
Originally Posted By danyoung Not a bad point. The big difference is that Adventureland is set up as having a theme of adventurous places around the world. If it was called Disney's Central American Adventureland, then it would be much more limited in theme.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 But if it had a ride that took place - according to one line from a movie - just over the Colombian border from Panama, it would be pretty pedantic to raise your hand and go "Oooh!! Oooh!! Teacher! That's not technically Central America!!" The irony is that Carsland is going to look a lot MORE like California (especially the California of the desert/open road imagination) than much of the park.
Originally Posted By mousermerf I still contend that only Californians think California is interesting enough to warrant its own park.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 You might be surprised. I've been a number of places in the world, and California and New York (and Texas to a lesser extent) are the places that really capture the popular imagination about America. They have a mystique, even a fascination. North Dakota, not so much.
Originally Posted By barboy Dabob, you didn't need to convince/persuade me to accept Rad. Springs into the California theme by pointing out the flagrant inconsistencies of Jungle Cruise.......I was merely challenging those who claim R.S. is or could be technically found in California.......just setting the record straight here, that's all. Ultimately I am just looking for honesty: if people welcome R.S. then so be it--- GREAT!!--- but there should be no bending and twisting of facts just to rationalize importing a technically non Californian feature into the Golden state. And for what it's worth: 1) I am very eager to see Carsland at DCA 2) yes, Rad Spr. is a far less egregious contradiction than many other Disney settings or attractions so I say let it slide--- no biggie! Also, there is a specific scene in Cars where McQueen and Carerra cruise the landscapes together and drive past a huge desert waterfall with some breathtaking rock formations............I have been all over California and I have never seen something like that. I did however see something very similar in Arizona, Utah, New Mexico(rock forms only) and Colorado(rock forms only).
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <but there should be no bending and twisting of facts just to rationalize importing a technically non Californian feature into the Golden state.> But the only "fact" being twisted is the one line from the movie. The architecture of the town is very CA desert, and the "natural" (lovingly faked by Disney) physical features aren't radically different. Is there NO desert waterfall like that in all the Mojave or Death Valley? I don't know. But if there isn't... not a biggie to me. <2) yes, Rad Spr. is a far less egregious contradiction than many other Disney settings or attractions so I say let it slide--- no biggie> There ya' go.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Is there NO desert waterfall like that in all the Mojave or Death Valley?/// I am not ready to say flat out "no" but I'd be very, very surprised to find out that one exists. Because I traveled that area a few times on the roads only(no backpacking or penetrating the deep desert by '4 wheelin')and I have never seen such stunning beauty like what was featured in the movie and in AZ, UT, NM and Colorado. Also, I assume CA has no water/landscape like that because if it hosted such a beauty it would have a household name and calandars/books/mags would feature it.......wouldn't there be roads and signage directing tourists???
Originally Posted By barboy ///I still contend that only Californians think California is interesting enough to warrant its own park./// hmmm??? I don't know about that. I'm far closer to Dabob's take. Cal, New York, Tx and Nevada(specifically Vegas)---perhaps Wash DC too--- grab most of the attention in the US
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <I still contend that only Californians think California is interesting enough to warrant its own park.> I contend that if the park were given the proper treatment of attention to detail and theme-ing, no one would be even talk about 'California' as the theme. Creative people could make a wonderfully themed park with 'cardboard' as the theme. It's not the theme -- it's the execution of the theme. Otherwise, if it were only about the theme, 'Hard Rock Theme Park' would have been an instant success -- and still be open!
