Originally Posted By dshyates Read the description of Soarin' Over California. They state twice that it is supposed to a hang glider, although they qualify it by say "imagine" and "simulated". But there is no hang glider that can zap from Yosimite to San Diego in 1/60th of a second. If your supposed to be hang gliding a short trip through the clouds, or letting the horizon dip out of frame would have been better than straight cuts. Dissolves, although very possible, wouldn't have been the answer. And the whole district is a tribute to experiment aviation of the California desert, yet there is no mention of it in the film. Its all pretty forced and convoluted. <a href="http://disneyland.disney.go.com/disneyland/en_US/parks/attractions/detail?name=SoarinOverCaliforniaAttractionPage" target="_blank">http://disneyland.disney.go.co...tionPage</a> Disney is aware of the themeing issues as they dropped the Hang Glider pretense in "Soarin'" at Epcot. And simply refer to it as "a free flying adventure". As a travelogue the straight cuts are irrelevant. <a href="http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/parks/attractionDetail?id=SoarinAttractionPage" target="_blank">http://disneyworld.disney.go.c...tionPage</a>
Originally Posted By danyoung Man, are you reading too much into it. No, I'm not at all confused when I'm over San Francisco at one point and then over a wooded river. I never think "hey, how did I get here? Did I fly? Did I instantly transport?" It just never entered my mind that it was some kind of literal trip that was happening over 4 minutes time. Whatever you've been expecting out of Soarin', I sure didn't expect, nor did I ever think Disney was even attempting to do some kind of real time transporting hang glider.
Originally Posted By dshyates Its that attention to detail that USUALLY sets Disney apart from the competition. If they are going to ignore the theme that they forced on it then its fair game to point it out. On star Tours if you jumped from one planet to the next with straight cuts instead of the Warp Speed thing, I would expect someone to say, WTF? Soarin' is a stunning travelogue, why mess it up with such a convoluted theme. Oh, and I was never confused by what happened. Just annoyed by the sloppy attention to detail. I'll bet money that in the redo they either drop the Hang Glider thing. Or add transitions. I should add that I am a professional editor, so its kind of my job to notice these kinds of inconsistencies.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>But there is no hang glider that can zap from Yosimite to San Diego in 1/60th of a second.<< There's also no floating honey pot that can go from Winnie the Pooh's Heffalumps and Woozles dream to his birthday party in 15 seconds. Geez, lighten up! It's a theme park attraction. The point is fun, not a precise duplication of an actual hang gliding excursion. The types of transitions you're talking about would've destroyed the pacing anyway. Come to think of it, how long WOULD it take to get from Yosemite to San Diego in a hang glider? I don't think I have that kind of time in my Disney day, nor do I want to be hanging in a plastic chair far away from a restroom for that long.
Originally Posted By dshyates As an editor, I don't mind the straight cuts. It works fine in Epcots version. But I just think that for what they were trying to do in DCA there is a better way. I think Soarin' is a fantastic attraction overall. Just the theme in DCA feels forced, Just giving my opinion.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I think this is good news, and it would be very easy to maintain the California theme by either starting the trip or ending it in California (or both). A modified version could be created for EPCOT.
Originally Posted By danyoung > If they are going to ignore the theme that they forced on it then its fair game to point it out.< I just don't see where Soarin' in DCA is in any way NOT sticking with its theme. In the queue they show great pioneers in aviation. Nowhere does it say that these are all experimental fliers - some of them are, some of them aren't. There is nothing to indicate that Soarin' the ride has to be some type of experimental hang glider, as far as I know. You're applying a standard to the attracion that doesn't exist. >On star Tours if you jumped from one planet to the next with straight cuts instead of the Warp Speed thing, I would expect someone to say, WTF?< A completely different experience. On Star Tours you are indeed taking a specific flight from one place to the next, and the film is your point of view out the front of the craft. On Soarin' you're experiencing a travelogue, a brief glimpse of many scenic vistas in California. This is not at all the same thing as Star Tours, and the same standard shouldn't apply. And to really make this thread fun, I'm also a video editor with over 20 years of experience. I know the value of editing, I know when to use a dissolve and when to use a cut, and generally how to put an effective piece together. I think Disney did a spectacular job with Soarin' - there's nothing at all sloppy about it. Insisting that there somehow needs to be some overlying transitional effect from scene to scene is simply not valid, IMO.
Originally Posted By Hista98 the main reason ehy soarin' seem scheap is because of the fact that they didn't think it would be as big of a hit as it was, personally if the redo anything about it would like the load area to be redone so you cant see the screen, maybe something like back to the future. anyway i think doing transitions beteween each part of the ride would make it uunessacerily long, imagiine every 10 seconds or so seeing clouds for a few, it would get really old and boring after aa while and people would just get tired of it and say"yes we Get it,hurry it up" i thnk the film is fine as.
Originally Posted By danyoung >the main reason ehy soarin' seem scheap is because of the fact that they didn't think it would be as big of a hit as it was< I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I think Disney totally knew they had a hit on their hands. The queue is very large to hold all the folks standing in line. This attraction has Fastpass and single rider right from the beginning, allowing lots of people to take advantage of a popular attraction.
Originally Posted By ryanbalas I think it could be done on a rotating basis. Similar to the Fremont Experience in Las Vegas. Different show at different times. I would love to see either of them just for the experience. And, only if, they hire one more castmember to vacuum the stray dust and fabric particles that occasionally invade the projector and dance across the screen.
Originally Posted By Hista98 once i was talking to someone in line, who seemed to know alot about the ride and they said that soarin was a suprise hit, they didn't spend as much money on it as they could, probably not true but it's what i heard.
Originally Posted By Hista98 plus if they retheme the cindr falts area, to grizzley peak, i don't see it working, why would you be taking of for a flight in a forest it doesn't make any sense at that point youmight as well move the building to carsand, which takes place near the desert and would work or close the ride altogether
Originally Posted By Anatole69 Personally I am glad they have the quick cuts from one scene to the next (rather than try to make them seamless by covering them up with a cloud passing in front of one scene and leaving to reveal another, for instance) because when I rode it I started to feel a little motion sickness and the quick cuts made the film less queasy for me. If it was all one smooth scene from one place to the next, I would definitely have felt a lot sicker and wouldn't have enjoyed it at all. - Anatole
Originally Posted By danyoung >once i was talking to someone in line, who seemed to know alot about the ride and they said that soarin was a suprise hit, they didn't spend as much money on it as they could...< From what I remember, DCA opened up with 2 E ticket attractions - Screamin' & Soarin'. I don't think there was any surprise at all that Soarin' was a hit.
Originally Posted By danyoung I tend to think of Grizzley as a D ticket, as there were no AA figures at all - just a water flume ride. But that's me.
Originally Posted By u k fan After riding the Paris version the Mk's Space Mountain felt like a C ticket! I do think that there is a valid case to be made for the transitions in Soarin' being handled more smoothly. If this means featuring less locations then so be it!!!
