Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Nope, less locations would not be a good representation of California. As for the transitions, I really like the surprise effect. I do not take issue with that at all. But I agree the queue area could be more inspired, and the film is grainy.
Originally Posted By u k fan <<<Nope, less locations would not be a good representation of California.>>> But is the new film supposed to be a good representation of California? Last I heard we didn't know that. I don't like the "suprise element". It may be a fantastical voyage over California, but sudden cuts just remind you that you are watching a movie like those old 3D shows where one minute your watching someone smash a bottle and the next you're on a rollercoaster. It completely kills the emmersiveness for me!!!
Originally Posted By danyoung >It's only a D ticket in my books if Space Mountain is too.< Well, you're welcome to view it however you like. Space Mtn. has always been an E ticket right from the start. Grizzly never quite lived up to that level for me.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I think Disney totally knew they had a hit on their hands. The queue is very large to hold all the folks standing in line.<< The queue for MuppetVision was also very large.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>>It's only a D ticket in my books if Space Mountain is too.< Well, you're welcome to view it however you like. Space Mtn. has always been an E ticket right from the start. Grizzly never quite lived up to that level for me.<<<< It's all subjective, but why is that. SM opened as an E ticket - it is simply a mild coaster in the dark with some lighting effects and now music (yes, I know at the time it was the 1st computerised coaster system to aid capacity). Grizzly is a very highly themed raft ride, with even themed rafts, a novel spinning effect, and an amazing geyser. Personally I would rate Grizzly as higher than SM. Yes, I too would love some AA's on it ala Big Thunder, but I think it is equal to all of the mountains save Splash.
Originally Posted By danyoung >The queue for MuppetVision was also very large.< That's a good point, and I don't think I've ever seen that queue full. I remember in the early days when management foolishly thought DCA was going to be a smash hit. I still say they knew Soarin' was going to be huge. But maybe they thought Muppets was going to be huge, too, which just didn't pan out. >it [Space Mountain] is simply a mild coaster in the dark with some lighting effects and now music....Grizzly is a very highly themed raft ride, with even themed rafts, a novel spinning effect, and an amazing geyser.< As you just said, it's all subjective. I'm not big on raft rides anyway, and I just don't get that much thrill out of it. Space, on the other hand, has always been an E ticket for me. And with the addition of music and the new, smoother track, it continues to be so. But as I keep saying, that's just my take on it.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Grizzly would be an E ticket. Surely if the Country Bears were an E ticket Grizzly Rapids would be too.
Originally Posted By danyoung If that works for you, Hans, great. I don't see the two as being even in the same league.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo That's the beauty of different strokes. I think Grizzly is the finest raft ride on the planet. I think SM is an overrated but fun coaster (wasn't that enamoured even in the 70's always prefering Big Thunder).
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Now Space Mountain in DLP (especially the original De La Terre au la Lune version) that's an F ticket in comparison.
Originally Posted By mstaft ^^ Absolutely. I really like GRR, but it does need the AAs to push it over the edge. The geyser area is definitely E material, however.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I think some people have selective memory when it comes to what constitutes and E ticket or not. Not all E ticket attractions were created equal.
Originally Posted By GMLSKIS I stopped in at City Hall and kind of sugested this years ago. My sugestion was to having Soarin Over California for half the day and Soarin' Over the rest of the United States like Mt. Rushmore the other half.
Originally Posted By Mr X Too bad. Some unsolicited ideas (such as the one above) are great. I remember as a kid (geek) I wrote a letter to Disney suggesting that they replace all the Friendship boats in Epcot with hydrofoils (yeah, I was dumb...but still, I thought it would sort of "connect" Future World with the back of the park lol). I received a short, curt response indicating that Disney does not accept unsolicited suggestions. My father was irritated (not at the reply, per se, but the legalese, curt sort of form letter sent to a little kid (I had included my age in the original letter, I don't recall if I used crayon or not)).
Originally Posted By danyoung >I think some people have selective memory when it comes to what constitutes and E ticket or not. Not all E ticket attractions were created equal.< That's not pointed at ME, is it, Hans? You have your perceptions, and I have mine. Neither is right - just how we view things.
Originally Posted By barboy ///From what I remember, DCA opened up with 2 E ticket attractions - Screamin' & Soarin'../// You're mistaken on this. Disney positioned Grizzly River as the 'mac daddy' of DCA. They touted the attraction as the longest rapids ride with the biggest and steepest drop yet at a time when those rapids rides were in vogue among theme parks(Kali River, Popeye & Bludo and somewhat Rhino Rally). In the DCA preview center Disney dedicated more attention to Grizzly River than either Soarin over Cal or Cal Screamin. The ride even has the park's icon with the grizzly shaped rock peak. Aside from Disney's intentions the ride is a legitimate 'E' anyway because of it's scope and scale. ///I tend to think of Grizzley as a D ticket, as there were no AA figures at all - just a water flume ride. But that's me./// You're not being fair here as Soarin and Screamin have no AA's either but yet you label them E's(which they are) I wonder if you have a bias against attractions like that Grizzly. I don't particularly like the ride but I definitely call it a bonafide E ticket.
Originally Posted By danyoung I'm sure you're correct in your analysis, barboy. And yes, Soarin' and Screamin' don't have AA's. There was discussion early on in the building of DCA about Grizzly Peak, with the online community (myself included) being totally shocked that this huge flume ride was being built with no AA figures. For a ride of this type, similar to Splash Mountain, to just be a ride on the rapids seemed to be (and still seems to me) less than Disney could accomplish for a modern day, cutting edge ride. It's that lack, the fact that the ride doesn't live up to its potential (to me), that keeps it from being an E ticket in my mind. Perhaps Disney still thinks of it that way - I do not. And one more time may I add that this is just my perception. It's not a bias against water rides. It's just my feeling that this one doesn't quite live up to E ticket status. A good strong D - yup.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "That's not pointed at ME, is it, Hans?" Nope. Just making a general observation.
Originally Posted By barboy Grizzly with no AA's----- Yep, I'm still in disbelief. I've seen Disney parks all over the world and I can't for the life of me understand why such an ambitious project lacks the conventional Disney spirit(AA's)to advance the story. Howling or growling bears in the short cave portion nor erupting geysers just don't cut it. I want to be attacked or threatened like on Dinosaur, Everest, Matterhorn or Jurassic Park. Maybe even an experienced local rafter warning us to 'take out' immmediately as class V rapids are just around the corner. Give us something, anyththing.
