Originally Posted By mstaft I dont know if this adds anything new or not, but Roger Rabbit spins and you dont get to see everything all the time. I would think GRR would be the same. As far as the round raft thing, I rafted some pretty narrow river spots here in Colorado, and I know that can even be a thrill- without the spin. I just wish WDI had gone a more tardion take on rafting vs theme park rafting...
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Roger Rabbit spins and you dont get to see everything all the time. I would think GRR would be the same.> Good example. [sitting and waiting to learn more]
Originally Posted By leemac <<<Roger Rabbit spins and you dont get to see everything all the time. I would think GRR would be the same.> Good example.>> How is it? You face out - your view in entirely unobstructed. You have complete peripheral vision. Other guests are not obscuring a significant portion of your field of vision. The facing-out raft idea is interesting - but personally I find a lot of the entertainment value is seeing your fellow rafters getting soaked. That type of comradeship is rare for a theme park ride.
Originally Posted By dshyates So leemac, are you really trying to tell us GRR is the best the imagineers could do, because they were so restricted by a round raft, and it spins rather slowly? I just think they cheaped out. We got growling sounds and red light bulbs as eyes. They did put stuff throughout to see just nothing that costs any money. Some rafting gear, an old wagon wheel, and some cave paintings. They sure intending on us seeing that stuff. Its a shame that they made such a fantastic environ yet refused to go the last mile of including wildlife. And really what kind of story do you need to add some critters to the woods. I have squirrel on my deck right now. No story needed.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <but personally I find a lot of the entertainment value is seeing your fellow rafters getting soaked. That type of comradeship is rare for a theme park ride.> Ah ha! That's another aspect of the ride that's always pointed out to me. 'It's fun to see people get wet.' Not for a lot of people, it isn't. Maybe Disney would consider putting some AA figures around the areas that walk-by guests can see. Near the waterfalls. Near that bridge. Near the last drop. That way, they'll sharp pencil boys -- sorry the Sr. Production Accountants can justify the expense of AA figures that would be 'seen.'
Originally Posted By barboy ///the biggest problem, is that due to the spinning of the vehicles and the obstucted view casued by the saeting configuration putting aa's in would be very pointless becuase no one coild get a good look at them, plus you go by so fast you would miss them/// No, and flat out ridiculous ///The other part of it is about control - how do you arrange the show scenes when the ride conveyance rotates 360 degrees - you would end up with guests who couldn't see every scene so how do you tell a story? It just wouldn't work./// Same here Have you two been to Islands of Adventure in Orlando? Popeye's Bilge Rat Barges use what looks to be either the same or very, very close basic ride system as Grizzly---I believe Popeye seats 12 whereas Grizzly accommodates 8 per raft. Both rides spin 'randomly', drop, move at about the same speed and travel the same 'class' rapids. Popeye is loaded head to toe with show scenes, AA's and moving sets. The ride works well! Popeye relies on animated props to tell the story. Question: why do multiple AA's work for Popeye but not Grizzly when in all basics they are the same ride??? Are you two saying it's easy for all 12 passengers to see a show scene depicting Bluto and Popeye struggle for Olive Oil but somehow it's too difficult for 8 guests to see bears. NO WAY!
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I'm not a big fan of 'Grizzly River' it's true -- getting soaked to the skin is not my idea of fun. Mostly I get irritated by the 'it can't be done' responses - by a Disney employee no less. Maybe Disney has put a freeze on 'plussing' attractions.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA [waiting to hear the response to post 111 -- running to get popcorn]
Originally Posted By barboy ///AA attractions can only work if you can 100% control the ride conveyance and the environment. You can't do that on a river raft ride./// Nope, and I want you to ride Popeye & Bluto.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Splash is slower, mostly indoors, and the logs don't spin./// Here we go again..... I've already dubunked the 'speed' and 'spin' theories and now it's time to go after the indoor/outdoor arguments: I want to point out just like Grizzly, 98% of Popeye & Bluto is exposed to the elements.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Roger Rabbit spins and you dont get to see everything all the time. I would think GRR would be the same/// I know the battle lines have been drawn and it doesn't feel good somewhat disregarding one of my own teammate's contribution, but fair is fair and I don't think that is a very good comparison. You see the guest(at least the cab driver anyway) can control the spin or choose not to spin at all on Roger Rabbit whereas on Grizzly one is at the sheer mercy of the currents, winds, weights, gravity and who knows what else as to what is most visible and when. But I guess for the non-cab driver the Roger Rabbit argument becomes stronger.
Originally Posted By barboy I don't mean to pull a Muhamed Atta here so I'll bring this plane back to its original flight path. Disney needs to bring Soarin's(how do I form a possessive for " Soarin' " ??? Would it be " Soarin''s " ??? Oh well, can't blame this jr college dropout too much now can we) post millenium film technology up to real post millenium standards....got it? I knew you did.
Originally Posted By barboy ///[waiting to hear the response to post 111 -- running to get popcorn]/// Ya, me too. If only jonvn could pop in for a visit and do battle--- that would just make my evening..... in a good way.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Well, this sealed the deal for me in thinking that certain "areas" were stuck in their thinking and had reduced storytelling to formulas. If it's so impossible to tell a story on a raft ride with visuals then why do I know on Popeye and Bluto's Bilge Rat Barges that after being re-routed by sabotage (explosion preceded by a menacing AA), that I end up in a cave with a giant octopus as Popeye struggles to get his spinach and Sweet-P crawls out across one of the giant looming arms of the beast? I must have imagined that..
Originally Posted By mousermerf Oh, I imagined the "boat wash" that we were being diverted to, too! Bluto's gotta make a profit (from the boat wash - in case that nuance was lost on you), but apparently Disney doesn't have to think!
