Originally Posted By barboy ///I simply don't believe that top flight Imagineers spent TWO YEARS working on Grizzly and couldn't come up with a way to plus the attraction with some type of AA's, which are a hallmark of top Disney attractions. Even if they had been atmospheric like BTMRR, they would have been better than NO AA's. And sightline with the seats in the rafts is simply a problem to overcome, by placing the AA's higher in the sightline. /// Nicely done. That was a most persuasive argument! I conclude one of two things about Grizzly 2001: either (1)imagineering was bankrupt with ideas or (2)DCA was bankrupt with budgets. I'll go with the second explanation.
Originally Posted By mousermerf About getting it on the first try and how storytelling should be.. What, pray tell, is the immensely popular Dumbo ride about? Is that a failure? That's a jedi mindtrick riddle first posed by Eddie Sotto.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I, for one, am thrilled that Disney avoided putting characters on the ride. Popeye's thing-a-ma-jig in Orlando may be fabulous and all, but I'm sick to death of characters in every nook and cranny of theme parks. I'm actually impressed that Disney didn't go the same route with GRR.
Originally Posted By leemac <<What, pray tell, is the immensely popular Dumbo ride about? >> So Dumbo is filled with AAs now? What is your point?
Originally Posted By mousermerf Answer the question - what is Dumbo about? You said no one got Popeye, you didn't the first time so it is a failure. What is Dumbo about?
Originally Posted By leemac What does it need to be about? Are you seriously trying to equate Dumbo with an E-Ticket experience like GRR? This is why I should have bowed out 100 posts ago.
Originally Posted By barboy ///I've ridden it(Popeye & Bluto) once and had no idea what was actually going on/// OK this is getting more outrageous by the minute--- Lee do you see what you're saying here?? below is yours: ///our tour guide was the lead creative from NBC Creative - when we rode that awful Bilge barges thing he spent the entire time explaining how it doesn't work how they expected./// Well naturally you won't understand the story if you are carrying on conversations or listening to NBC yap through the ride on your one and only experience.
Originally Posted By mousermerf People will wait in longer lines for Dumbo then for Grizzly. The comparison is entirely fair, you just keep making strawman arguments to try and avoid the fact that you don't have an answer.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Answer the question - what is Dumbo about? You said no one got Popeye, you didn't the first time so it is a failure. What is Dumbo about?<< Wow ... I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Ya guys, lay off here. Personally I think toon lagoon is a very poor area and USO are stupid to ruin on one the two greatly themed areas IOA has to put in a stupid Harry Potter area.
Originally Posted By mousermerf >>Ya guys, lay off here. Personally I think toon lagoon is a very poor area and USO are stupid to ruin on one the two greatly themed areas IOA has to put in a stupid Harry Potter area.<< Again: Commercial product. Lost Continent under performs in attendance - why do you think Dueling Dragon's line is so long and so detailed but never used?
Originally Posted By barboy ///People will wait in longer lines for Dumbo then for Grizzly./// Not so fast there. Remember, the turnover of guest or throughput for Dumbo is painfully slow so even a handful of guests in the queue might end up waiting. It looks like those 8 passenger rafts on Grizzly do fairly well servicing large crowds.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains I really hope they fix that big spot on the screen if they redo the movie.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Guests do not know how many people are in front of them - rather they know the wait time. They are willing to wait for Dumbo. They are unwilling to wait for Grizzly. This argument would be void if there were not enough people in DLR to hold a longer wait at Grizzly for the operating day, but that is not true. People choose not to wait for Grizzly, they choose to wait for the experience on Dumbo.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Ya guys, lay off here. Personally I think toon lagoon is a very poor area/// dave, we're just challenging the notion that AA's can't advance or enhance Grizzly because of the nature of the ride(like its spin, seating arrangement, speed or exposure to the elements). I'm not here to tout Popeye(as that's for another topic) but I will invoke that direct comparable to quell ridiculousness. Some things I just can't let go and this is one of them.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Do AAs 'advance the story' of Grizzly River? I think they would just as much as the rattlesnakes, tortoises, skunk, billy goat, coyotes, and possums 'advance the story' of Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.
Originally Posted By dshyates "If you can't get it on the first try then the attraction has failed, period." I understood Popeye's the first time and I obviously didn't get GRR's until today when I read it on Startedbyamouse.com, albiet the last time of the 4 times I had ridden GRR I was hunting snipes. I thought Popeye's story was pretty self explainitory. It really is comic book simple.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA In my humble opinion, these complicated 500 word back stories created by WDI should just stay within the confines of WDI. If a back story can help to inspire the Project Team working on a particular land or attraction -- terrific. By all means, create it, live by it, own it. But as a guest, I shouldn't have to know that back story to 'get' the land or attraction. It would be like going in to see 'The Dark Knight' and beforehand watching a 15 minute expose on how Heath Ledger created 'The Joker' character. We hear about what his influences were, how he chose the make-up, and what, in his opinion, made 'The Joker' the horrible, cross-dressing weird-o that he is. To me, an actor can (and in certain roles should) work on a character all he wants -- but if he has to share all that work with the audience, he ain't doing his job. Same holds true with these convoluted backstories about -- ahem -- Condor Flats of all places. If it has to be posted up somewhere and explained to the guests -- it hasn't been executed very well.
