Originally Posted By mousermerf The middle section of this video shows views around Popeye so you can appreciate the area more, and also hear the audio and see snippets of the show scenes: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXT9jQHWeQ8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...9jQHWeQ8</a> Themed music to different show scenes on a raft ride? Disney would have you think that's impossible.
Originally Posted By yamabuki Matterhorn at DL doesn't have a story and very few AAs.. but it gets a pass because it's at DL. C'mon! GRR is receiving some nice updates. It doesn't need and intricate, character-based storyline. As for the IOA raft ride - it's fun but: you get very wet, even more than the Disney versions. And the theming just isn't as beautiful as GRR. It's a bit too.. plastic-y.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 And all that's fine. But you step off it like you've taken a shower in your clothes. Everyone. Every time.
Originally Posted By mousermerf <<<It's a bit too.. plastic-y.>>> It's a cartoon. What should it look like?
Originally Posted By mousermerf I hate it when people make absurd assertions and they are so self "un"-aware that they can't see they're just rationalizing their Disney-only love rather then giving something else the credit it is due.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I hate it when people make passive-aggressive not-nearly-as-subtle-as-they-think statements that have no basis in reality and are actually a cover for their arrogance in that they confuse their opinion for objective truth.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I like Popeye. I really do. If they didn't drench everyone every time, I'd prefer it to GRR. But they do. So I don't. And that's valid.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Umm.. A) An entire peer-review assocition say Popeye is better then Grizzly. B) I have no intent of being subtle.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 A). A minority opinion is not incorrect. It's merely a minority opinion. Learn that. B). Okay, so you're passive-aggressive, arrogant AND unsubtle. Congrats.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "GRR is receiving some nice updates. It doesn't need and intricate, character-based storyline." It doesn't need a storyline, but it does need some atmosphere. For being a ride based on the great outdoors, it comes off as being surprisingly sterile. If the Popeye raft ride is "plasticky," that's probably because it is based on a cartoon.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Seriously - where are the folks complaining about the look of Toon Town?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "The story line is weak. As representative in the ride itself." I disagree. Everything at DLR doesn't have to be Pirates to be good. Could the ride be better? Yes, but I don't think it's as bad as you are making it out to be. "A bore!" To you. I happen to like it and I find it exciting spinning around trying to avoid getting soaked. The ride is anything but boring to me. I also happen to think the exterior scenery and detail is quite lovely - equal to Big Thunder in my opinion. Yes, Jim is right, there should be a few small show scenes added to the attraction. "You should know better than anyone else ... what makes Disney so special .. and why you keep coming back to this site every day ... is the quintessential Disney theme park experience .. are attractions that are "hyper-reality" experiences. So "hyped" it dazzles the senses .. and makes people want to come back over, and over again." Dean, it's a nice white water raft ride. It wasn't intended to be a showstopping spectacle.
Originally Posted By mousermerf But it's not even a good one! Congo River Rapids at Busch Gardens Tampa has been a consistently better raft ride experience with minimal theme compared to Grizzly and it's been around forever. Why? It's just a better ride in terms of drops, dips, turns, rapids, etc.. Grizz and Kali have those tightly controled drops and that's it - otherwise they entirely fail as raft rides.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "It doesn't need a storyline, but it does need some atmosphere. For being a ride based on the great outdoors, it comes off as being surprisingly sterile." Good point, and I think some "action" in the way of small but detailed show scenes could easily rectify this.
Originally Posted By yamabuki Uh, well.. I still think it looks plastic-y. Atmosphere for GRR? The entire Grizzly Trail area has great atmosphere. I just happen to prefer GRR.. not sure why that is such a big deal.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Mousemerf, we get it. There are other parks that have better raft rides. Now get back in your corner.
Originally Posted By mousermerf It's a big deal because you're hating on something just because it's not Disney.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I went on the IOA raft ride many years before I went on GRR. However, I still like GRR better. Yes, the IOA one had a story (kind of, it's a lot more clear in that scene-by-scene description than the ride itself), but it just didn't have the excitement that GRR has. There are hardly any areas that are calm and then turn into rapids, or the other way around. It's the balance between the two that makes a raft ride good, IMO. With the IOA one, it's all rapids, all the time. I you want to get soaked, it's great. If you don't, it gets old. The one thing that has always impressed me with that ride is how they were able to integrate the lift into the middle of the ride, without losing any of the excitement and momentum of the ride. The lifts are usually at the very beginning or very end, and always just seem awkward, so that's the biog improvement on this attraction. There isn't as much excitement in the rest of the attraction, since everybody gets wet. It loses that community feeling that you get on all other raft rides, where that random guy across from you gets soaked and you stay dry.
