Originally Posted By gadzuux Geez - they plow over a hundred million simoleans into the joint, and people grouse for the glory days of 2002. Go figure.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Well when it comes to food, do you not think it is warrented? And the Paradise Pier section has only had lipstick applied to the porcine district.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo WDW is huge, but it sucks compared to DL. Money does not buy class as my grandmother used to say.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Well when it comes to food, do you not think it is warrented? << I wouldn't know - I never ate in any of the upscale places of early DCA. I've been to Taste Pilot's grill, the Pacific Wharf area, and I went in 'Hollywood & Dine' exactly once before it closed. I only get to the parks once or twice a year, and usually eat in DTD - I have a fondness for the patio at Tortilla Joe's.
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>Still - I would rather have Golden Dreams << Golden Dreams was so un-Disney. I don't get whay fans of Walt would want that film any place, in any Disney park.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Golden Dreams was so un-Disney.> Please explain. I found 'Golden Dreams' to be extremely Disney. Both in execution and content. I really enjoyed it. 'Golden Dreams' was just as much 'Disney' as 'Symbiosis' or 'America the Beautiful' or 'The Seas' or 'Wonders of China' or 'Impressions of France.'
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I completely agree that Golden Dreams (and much of what was in DCA upon opening) was very much a Disney-specific concept. However, that type of concept really hadn't been at DLR before, so I can see how guests weren't expecting it. I've always thought it was interesting that people who had visited WDW thought more of DCA than people who had only been to DL. I think there's just something in the west coast expectations that precludes 'edutainment' as being a big draw at a Disney park, yet it's a huge part of the WDW experience. True, it's a smaller portion of it now than it was in the past, but it still is the driving force behind a lot of what they do. To many out here, "Disney" means characters and singing pirates, while the easterners tend to have a little broader definition. Why else would everybody have gotten so excited about the redo of the Sun Wheel into Mickey's Fun Wheel?
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Interesting thoughts there, FerretAfros. Never thought about it in those terms. Not sure if I'm buying it.
Originally Posted By DlandDug I've never tried their patio. Does it compare favorably with their tortillas?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I don't get whay fans of Walt would want that film any place, in any Disney park." This is one of the most perplexing things i think I've ever read here. Anyone who knows the Disney brother's story and how they arrived in California and the subsequent empire they built should understand why Golden Dreams was one of the most Disney things ever at DLR.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> I completely agree that Golden Dreams (and much of what was in DCA upon opening) was very much a Disney-specific concept. << If by "Disney-specific" you mean something that is clumsily or poorly done, then, yes, DCA was Disney-specific. Of course, I'm assuming you're actually referring to something that has some educational value (or edu-tainment) attached to it. But I don't think that was what put a damper on most of DCA. The park suffered primarily because it was done in such an uninspiring and tacky, even ugly, way. I also continue to believe no Disney park, or any high-quality theme park in general, should ever be themed to something as provincial as an American state, California included. But when I saw the following in the New York Times the other day, the theme of a Disney park in Anaheim that has suffered a lot of embarrassment -- and a sense of the decline of the DisCo's specialness -- seems altogether fitting. >>>>> Perhaps the legendary beaches here are losing their pull. California, once the very symbol of sun-drenched American growth, had a population increase of only 10 percent in the last decade, the slowest rise in the state’s history. And for the first time since California became a state in 1850, it will not gain a Congressional seat. The recent growth in the state has been largely fueled by Hispanics, who continued to increase in numbers, though at a slower rate than in the 1990s. The number of whites continued to decline. They now make up just 40 percent of the state, compared with 47 percent in 2000. <<<<<
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> Disney California Adventure's Carthay Circle will house a restauant, not an attraction. Rumors also state it will be a private club similar to Club 33. << That means the new icon of DCA, certainly if what it ends up housing is for the use of special guests only, will be a big zero to most visitors. But I can't complain since anything is better than the titanium hubcap.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub I am confused. Is it going to be a private club like Club33? Hardly very inviting as a Welcome to DCA landmark.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Perhaps the legendary beaches here are losing their pull ... The recent growth in the state has been largely fueled by Hispanics, who continued to increase in numbers, though at a slower rate than in the 1990s. << The number of whites continued to decline. << So maybe hispanics don't like going to the beach.
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>Please explain. I found 'Golden Dreams' to be extremely Disney. Both in execution and content. I really enjoyed it.<< I guess when I go to Disney park I am there to leave this world behind (Kind of what Walt had in mind). I don't want to see the real world of people being mistreated now, or abused a hundred and fifty years ago. I see that everyday on the news, and don't want to pay to see it in a Disney park. Hope that explains what I meant.
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>Disney brother's story and how they arrived in California and the subsequent empire they built should understand why Golden Dreams was one of the most Disney things ever at DLR.<< I really just don't get what that has to do with a Disney park where we leave the World behind? Like you what you said was one of the most perplexing things i think I've ever read here, I just don't understand what your saying.
Originally Posted By avatarmickey115 I think don't think Golden Dreams would fit into the theme of Buena Vista street. Maybe the overall theme of a California Dream relates to it, but really, it has nothing to do with Hollywood (except Whoopi?) They should do a broadway-show type movie maybe like the Gold Horseshoe? Or just Philharmagic...
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal And I think Golden Dreams is just another reason the park hurt the Disney brand. We go to Disney parks for a fun time, and most people have no interest in seeing any negative portrayals of America when the walk through those gates. Again, let us just leave the World Behind. Walt Disney: "I don't want the public to see the world they live in while they're in the Park (Disneyland). I want to feel they're in another world." Thank you Walt!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Golden Dreams was very EPCOT-y. If California were one of the nations in World Showcase it would fit right in.
