Originally Posted By DlandDug >>...I really like DCA, do you think i'm crazy or are the ones that hate it right<< For some of us, it's not a matter of love or hate. It's just a matter of looking at it and drawing realistic conclusions.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 And hopefully realizing that there is more than one set of said conclusions.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Of course, there's only one conclusion for right thinking individuals...!
Originally Posted By tashajilek "I don't give a squat about TSMM, the Little Mermaid Dark Ride nor half of Carsland." Your loss Dave, it never hurts to have a open mind.
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>Having an attraction that covers the history of this state is actually offensive to you?<< No, going to a Disney park, and paying to see a negative view of America’s past is annoying to me. There is no country in the history of mankind who has not done people wrong in some way, so leave that to our schools to teach, and don’t give me a slanted view of how one historian feels about our past. I come to Disneyland Resort for fun, and to see the best of America, sorry if that offends you. I get "America is so bad" every day, and don’t want to pay to see more of it at The Disneyland resort. Again, happy to see Golden Gone.
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>For some of us, it's not a matter of love or hate. It's just a matter of looking at it and drawing realistic conclusions.<< >>And hopefully realizing that there is more than one set of said conclusions.<< Could not agree more!
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal Oh, and I really do like DCA, hope that is a realistic conclusion?
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Oh, and I really do like DCA, hope that is a realistic conclusion?<< That would be an opinion (one that we share). A realistic conclusion is based on extrapolated facts and opinion. Fact: Disney-MGM Studios was heavily attended in its first year. Opinion: DCA sucks. Fact: DCA was poorly attended in its first year. Opinion: Disney-MGM was heavily attended because people had to use their park hoppers. Facts and opinions: DCA was poorly attended and was widely criticized for its lack of attractions and detail. After several efforts to bring attendance to anticipated levels did not do so, DCA is undergoing an unprecedented makeover. Realistic conclusion: The DCA that opened in 2001 failed. Now, other conclusions may be drawn, based on the same facts and opinions. But that's the nature of discussion on the internet.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "No, going to a Disney park, and paying to see a negative view of America’s past is annoying to me." I guess everyone sees things differently. I'm wondering if you've ever seen The American Adventure at WDW. You would have hated the Forever Burning Settler's Cabin set ablaze by "unfriendly" Indians in Frontierland. Golden Dreams wasn't negative. It showed that despite obstacles immigrants and travelers of all stripes who came to this state were able to make vital contributions that created one of the world's most vibrant economies. The Disney brothers are the perfect embodiment of spirit of the film.
Originally Posted By DlandDug I don't know that I would call Golden Dreams a negative view. If anything, it was a somewhat sanitized realistic view. (Especially once they cut that disturbing image of the Chinese boy being blown up.)
Originally Posted By gadzuux "Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams and the hard facts that have created America ... " Walt Disney July 17th 1955 "Opening Day Speech"
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>That would be an opinion (one that we share). A realistic conclusion is based on extrapolated facts and opinion.<< I was trying to be funny, guess you missed that. How come I feel like i'm in a law school class right now? Again, having fun is why I go to Disneyland, maybe i'm alone in that, but that's me, guess i'm crazy.
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>Fact: DCA was poorly attended in its first year.<< No, hate to break it to you, but that's an opinion. Fact would be: DCA, had 5.5 million people visit(not real number just using as an example). Or you could say something like,(making up name now)Bob Smith, Head of Disney Corp said; "DCA was poorly attended in its first year." Now if he had said that it would have been a fact that he said those words. But the word "poorly" is an opinion, not a fact. Since we don’t have a base-line to judge the numbers on to make it a fact. Hope that helps.
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>The American Adventure at WDW. You would have hated the Forever Burning Settler's Cabin set ablaze by "unfriendly" Indians in Frontier land.<< Nope, I liked it very much. But See if there was a sign over the cabin that said, "This family deserved to have their house burnt down" Then I would not have liked it. Does that clear it up for you?
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>Golden Dreams wasn't negative.<< That's your opinion, I disagree. >>It showed that despite obstacles immigrants and travelers of all stripes who came to this state were able to make vital contributions that created one of the world's most vibrant economies.<< Then Just say "despite obstacles". It was in my opinion, a PC “ I’m a victim” portrayal. The Asian's in my family, have never felt like victims for coming to America, they feel lucky. But again that's just their, and my, opinion. And you have your opinion.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams and the hard facts that have created America ... " This has been posted several times now in this thread and yet it keeps getting overlooked. >>The American Adventure at WDW. You would have hated the Forever Burning Settler's Cabin set ablaze by "unfriendly" Indians in Frontier land.<< "Nope, I liked it very much. But See if there was a sign over the cabin that said, "This family deserved to have their house burnt down" Then I would not have liked it." Where in American Dreams did something like that happen? "The Asian's in my family, have never felt like victims for coming to America, they feel lucky." Some Asian immigrants to California were indeed victims and felt like it. Are those stories not worth telling? Again, everything at DLR shouldn't have to be about talking mice and pubescent mermaids for it to be interesting or entertaining.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Golden Dreams wasn't negative. It showed that despite obstacles immigrants and travelers of all stripes who came to this state were able to make vital contributions that created one of the world's most vibrant economies. The Disney brothers are the perfect embodiment of spirit of the film." Right. I Liked that it wasn't as rah rah as it could've been. If you're going to give us history, make it an honest one...including the warts.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "Of course, there's only one conclusion for right thinking individuals...! " And therein lies the problem, succinctly stated. And later amplified... "Realistic conclusion: The DCA that opened in 2001 failed." Sorry, that doesn't follow. And you again show difficulty in defining "fact" and "opinion," not to mention "realistic.". Unless by realistic you mean "the opinion I've reached."
