Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>If you're going to give us history, make it an honest one...including the warts.<< The only problem is, is that what you think is an honest view of history, may not be what others think is an honest view of history. And that’s why I’m glad Golden Dream has been sent to the ash heap of Disney history. And in that, I have nothing elase to say on this
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "The only problem is, is that what you think is an honest view of history, may not be what others think is an honest view of history." Some immigrants didn't have to overcome hardship here? Of course they did. "And so it goes..." No kidding.
Originally Posted By Socrates This country sets high standards... And once in a while we actually come close to reaching them. Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "And that’s why I’m glad Golden Dream has been sent to the ash heap of Disney history." Careful now. Disney has been known to dust off old relics and revive them, especially films, so don't be so sure that Golden Dreams is gone for good.
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>Some immigrants didn't have to overcome hardship here? Of course they did. "And so it goes..."<< Most had a hard time in life, or they would not have left their homeland. Life has never been easy, that's why there is Disneyland!
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>Careful now. Disney has been known to dust off old relics and revive them, especially films, so don't be so sure that Golden Dreams is gone for good. << I don’t think there will be a big out cry to bring back Golden Dreams. But if it ever does show it’s ugly face again, I give you full permission laugh like hell!
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>This country sets high standards... And once in a while we actually come close to reaching them. Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."<< I examine my life all the time. That is unless I’m in Disneyland, then not so much.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "Most had a hard time in life, or they would not have left their homeland." Which doesn't change the realty of what they found here. They found both good and bad here. The film acknowledged that. If you don't present the whole reality, that's called sugarcoating. Disney does that all the time, and obviously some people prefer that. Me, I think it's refreshing when they don't.
Originally Posted By unforgetabledal >>Which doesn't change the realty of what they found here. They found both good and bad here. The film acknowledged that. If you don't present the whole reality, that's called sugarcoating.<< The Bible; "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven" And to me, Golden Dreams was in the wrong place, and at the wrong time.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>The only problem is, is that what you think is an honest view of history, may not be what others think is an honest view of history.<< To quote Wicked, "From where I'm from, people believe all sorts of things that aren't true. They call it history." The stuff shown on TV, placed in movies, and written in the history books is all only telling just part of the story. The old phrase "to the victor goes the spoils" comes to mind. In addition to winning the prize (land, gold, people, etc), they also win the ability to write history their way. While it may not tell the whole story, it's the story that gets passed down. I think that we all know that George Washington probably lied on occasion and that there was more to any single election than what makes it into the books, but that's what we get. At the expense of being able to fit it all in a single book, we only get part of the story. And honestly, I'm not sure if the whole story is always needed. My high school US history book (which only really covered a little over 200 years in detail) was well over 2,000 pages long. That's a whole lot of information. At times it was a total overload. I can't imagine what it would have been like if it had included every perspective on every issue. No, history doesn't always tell the whole story, but I think it generally does a good job of telling the story within reason. I think that Golden Dreams also did the same.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I think I may have mentioned this before, but I have a friend and Disney fan who is a German immigrant to California and he made a point of seeing Golden Dreams when ever he visited DLR. I guess there was something about the show that resonated with him and his experience here.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>Most had a hard time in life, or they would not have left their homeland.<<< That is complete and utter bollocks. Some left their homeland for love, I know my mom did. FWIW, I love Golden Dreams and hate most of Paradise Pier. Golden Dreams is far more tradition Disney than any of the PP attractions. And having it balanced is very important. Old Yeller is put down, Pollyana loses her ability to walk and chinese labourers were treated poorly and died in accidents. But what made America, and especially California great is the hardships people endured and the spirit they engaged to overcome them and forge success. Reading LP this week, I cannot belive how little people seem to want to engage their brains. Seeing the crap TV companies are producing cements it. It is not wonder the western economy is in the toilet.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>>That is unless I’m in Disneyland, then not so much.<<< Funny, Disney parks used to inspire and reinvigorate. Now they are glorified commercials. And it seems the masses want that. SCREAMS INTO PILLOW
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>The Bible; "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven"<<< If there is a god, I would have thought it would want us to achieve our potential, inspire each other, and engage our minds and spirits. Disney used to be a fantastic lever for this.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>I think I may have mentioned this before, but I have a friend and Disney fan who is a German immigrant to California and he made a point of seeing Golden Dreams when ever he visited DLR. I guess there was something about the show that resonated with him and his experience here. <<< Absolutely Hans. And as a Californian emigrant, I made sure to watch it every day I stepped foot into DCA. And cried each time. And every time I go to WDW, I make sure I (and my half American children) see the Hall of Presidents and the American Adventure.
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>And to me, Golden Dreams was in the wrong place, and at the wrong time. << I only saw it once because it was closed on my other trips, but I really enjoyed it and so did my Mum. I guess I don't really get the hatred for it - if you don't like the message it sends, couldn't you just not go and see it?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 ">>And to me, Golden Dreams was in the wrong place, and at the wrong time. << A film about CA in a park devoted to CA, at the time they opened that park about CA. Sounds like "right place, right time" to me.
Originally Posted By SafariRob "Hard facts" is only a small part of the story Walt wanted to tell. Let's take a look at the entire quote from opening day: "To all who come to this happy place: Welcome. Disneyland is your land. Here age relives fond memories of the past, and here youth may savor the challenge and promise of the future. Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams, and the hard facts that have created America, with the hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world." Happy place. Your land. Fond memories. Ideals. Dreams. Hard facts. Joy. Inspiration. I will say it again. Hard facts is only a small part of the story Walt wanted to tell. He wanted a happy place where dreams came true. He wanted a place that inspired fond memories. Too much of the "real world" would ruin the dream. Don't believe me? Let's look at another Walt quote about Disneyland: “I don't want the public to see the world they live in while they're in the Park. I want to feel they're in another world.” A strong case could be made that Walt wanted Disneyland to be a place where people could escape the "real world". Now, let's take a look at the plaque that hangs over the tunnel leading to Main Street: "Here you leave today and enter the world of yesterday, tomorrow and fantasy." Once again, it seems like you are encouraged to leave the "real world" behind and become transported to another place and time. My point. There is a small place at the Disneyland Resort for "hard facts" such as the burning cabin, GMWML, Golden Dreams, etc. They need to be balanced out with plenty of fantasy, inspiration and dreams. IMHO, Disney has done a fine job of balancing those things out. I watched Golden Dreams once. It was okay. The Whoopie statue creeped me out. It is a story worth telling but I think it could have been presented in a more entertaining way. Perhaps in a ride...similar to Spaceship Earth.
