Originally Posted By ksargen CC - being that odd combo of "tourist / AP" - BRAVO to the above. With this price change, it will make more sense to buy tickets for limited visits, rather than a more expensive AP to make those visits. I have only bought an AP twice, and it was because the smaller difference in price from AP with discounts to park hoppers for multiple visits was such it made sense. Unless I plan more than three trips for next year (which I don't, at this point) an AP makes ZERO sense. I'll be able to purchase discounted park hoppers for less per visit than the AP would cost for the whole year. For those of us who can't visit on a regular, or even every other month basis, it makes a big difference. As to the crowds and waiting ages to shows and such - it's also compounded by the "we're special people" seatings they do periodically. We've had it happen for parades and fireworks, both, and it's really annoying to show up in a spot that is normally available, and find it's been roped off for some VIP group or other. It's gotten more frequent, and it's just irritating. I paid to get in, why MORE special things? And if it were experiences we could all do, that would be one thing, but it's been special tour groups, corporate somethings, you name it. I'm a little spent on the, "everyone is extra special, but they're MORE special today" sort of happenings.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I don't understand why they don't do Fastpass for Fantasmic and prime Fireworks viewing areas like they do for WOC.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I still think locals get a heck of a good deal. $649 for a year's worth of unlimited visits is a STEAL. Compare that to the cost us tourists have to pay... $250-$290 for a 3-5 day hopper in addition to $300+ a night to stay on property, $100 a day for food, hundreds more for airfare and local transportation.... $649 is a STEAL!
Originally Posted By YumaJohn YAAY! They finally did it. In my opinion they should have doubled the price. The way I see it is that if they could have gotten half the people to pay twice the price, they would suffer no loss of revenue and would only have to deal with half the crowd. It would free up parking and I might actually go back to the park for a vacation. As it stands my last few visits have been overwhelmingly crowded. I don't expect a ghost town but like someone above me said, it is starting to get dangerous crowded, particularly after shows, parades, and fireworks.
Originally Posted By tashajilek If Disneyland is so crowded maybe they should think about a 3rd gate in the future. Even with the price increases with everything new going on i can bet that the crowds will continue. Dl needs a 3rd gate or at least throw us a fricken water park or something lol.
Originally Posted By tashajilek Everyone here talks about how Disney owns some property and a 3rd gate could be in the works. Hopefully this is true and could actually happen.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip They have a hard time maintaining the parks they have... why add a third? Once all the new stuff opens at DCA that would take some of the pressure off DL for awhile.
Originally Posted By ksargen RoadTrip - I don't think so. Opening up the new things in DCA is just driving more attendance for BOTH parks. With the vast majority of visitors having park hoppers, when it gets crowded one place, people try to go the other. This summer, it's going to get crowded in BOTH. It'll be very interesting to see how they handle the crowds... As for the 3rd gate - they have land. It's not super close to the other two parks, but it's workable, with some planning. The problem, aside from money, is timeline. If they started tomorrow, it likely wouldn't open for at least 3 years, probably more. Not soon enough to deal with a crowding problem in the existing two parks.
Originally Posted By TINK-MOBILE While it may be financially o'kay for some single pass goer's to absorb this huge increase it is quite a hardship for big families.and Families in general, some may just cut down drastically on food and souveniors..we live quite far away as many do and have quite a large family..so this increase will hurt ...if you average the price out for people who live close and go all the time...they can find a reason for it to be justified..It is not something that Walt would do, to make Disneyland not affordable for Families...Perhaps they could have a three visit per year pass for Families of 3 four ect with the same discounts ..I have emailed them with this request and perhaps some time in the future they will look into it...Would have been nice to know earlier of the increases as we did not hear until Sunday...anyway..my fault have not been on LP much lately...the one day advance notice is still not enough time to make these type of decisions..
Originally Posted By tashajilek "They have a hard time maintaining the parks they have... why add a third?" i think a lot of people here would agree that they do a heck of a lot better than with the WDW properties. I think they have learned a lesson now with DCA not to repeat the same mistake if their were to be a 3rd park. "RoadTrip - I don't think so. Opening up the new things in DCA is just driving more attendance for BOTH parks. With the vast majority of visitors having park hoppers, when it gets crowded one place, people try to go the other. This summer, it's going to get crowded in BOTH. It'll be very interesting to see how they handle the crowds..." I agree with you, there isnt much more they can do without adding something more in the future. If Disny really wants to do something more im sure they can figure out a way.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>It is not something that Walt would do<< Like heck he wouldn't. Don't get sucked in by his PR flunkies' "Walt quotes". The guy was a multi-millionaire running a very successful company. He didn't build Disneyland to spread happiness. He did it to vacuum up oodles of tourist money. All that stuff about "not gouging the customer" was just a nice marketing-speak way of saying "you guys are dang lucky we aren't gouging you even worse than we are". Actually, I don't think Walt would go for the whole AP thing in the first place. If you wanted in, then he'd expect you to buy a dang ticket like everybody else.
Originally Posted By Manfried "With that kind of money, my husband and I have spent the last week looking around for other fun opportunities to spend it now that Disneyland is out of the picture," I know I will anger the person who posted this, but I am happy they will be finding other venues to spend their money. This is the sort of "entitled" crowd that should go join a private country club.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I know I will anger the person who posted this, but I am happy they will be finding other venues to spend their money. This is the sort of "entitled" crowd that should go join a private country club." WTF?? They decided it was too expensive and that makes them "entitled"?? Your statement makes no sense whatsoever.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip What makes ANYONE think a Third Gate is the answer? Disney couldn't even get a Second Gate right for the first decade. What would the third park be like? Anyone dreaming of Westcot better wake up. Epcot would never be built given the economics of today. Virtually all the major pavilions at Epcot were heavily subsidized by other companies or countries. That just isn't going to happen in today's environment, and as the lack of new development at the World Showcase at WDW has shown, Disney isn't about to pay for it on it's own. So you tell me... what would a third gate look like? What could Disney possibly do to develop a Third Park in Anaheim that would meet the demands of both their fans and their shareholders? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It will never happen. Give up the dream.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "So you tell me... what would a third gate look like?" They could recreate Disneyland circa the 1960s ride for ride. Call it Nostalgialand, Back In The Day Land, Yesterland (with a nod to Werner Weiss)Time Capsule Land, whatever. Then the present day Disneyland can be free to evolve and change and creatively reinvent itself like it was intended. You know, like doing movie overlays over rides, entire lands and stuff.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>What could Disney possibly do to develop a Third Park in Anaheim that would meet the demands of both their fans and their shareholders? << Anaheim Disney Sea? :-D
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <It is not something that Walt would do, to make Disneyland not affordable for Families> DL was always fairly expensive for families. But it was never intended to be a "once a month" or even "once or more a week" kind of place. Walt never offered AP's. So a family spent a decent chunk of change there, but went maybe once a year - twice if you were lucky (that's what my family did in the 60's/70's).
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>So you tell me... what would a third gate look like? << Disney's Bodacious and Super Spectacular Water Park? ;-)
