Originally Posted By TXDISNEYNERD I happen to like FP as I feel like this gives me a slight advantage over some uninformed guests. It might make the overall line a little worse, but the FP line is still shorter than the line would have been otherwise. Since I don't get to go very often, shorter lines help me see more. I sure hope they are not doing this at DL.
Originally Posted By Manfried You will use the new system. You will enjoy it. Welcome to the world of not Tron, but big brother. Everyone will follow their vacation schedule to the minute. Any deviation means you will be ???? And this is supposed to be fun?
Originally Posted By tashajilek "Kevin who??? No I guess not. All I know is that whenever I mentioned my dislike for FP, there was never an overwhelming outreaching of support. Only posts that basically told me how stupid I was to not think this was the best thing since sliced bread. Oh, well! Great artists are never appreciated in their lifetime. " Goofy, how dare you not read every article on Miceage, Mouseplanet, and all the other Disney website about every single Disney detail!!! you so dont belong here LOL. Anyways, i myself know how to use fp pretty good and i managed to do very well in WDW during Christmas, but i think it would be fair if everyone had a equal oppertunity. It really gets me ticked that a lot of people say " there should be a fastpass for TSMM in DCA" heck no, the one at WDW can exceed 3 hour standby waits and not to mention i didnt get to ride once. I will happily wait my 40-50 min avaerage wait at DCA happily.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Other than the really cool line and different loading area, you didn't miss anything. Like Soarin' the ride is identical to the DCA version.
Originally Posted By tashajilek I was more interested in actually seeing the queue. With not riding TSMM and riding the god aweful buzz at WDW i was really missing getting my game fix.
Originally Posted By danyoung >...but Fastpass was for most guests an Epic Fail.< Sorry, but I just can't let this go. I'd bet that most guests find FP to be a terrific option, one that gives them more usable time in a day and keeps them out of long lines. The uber-fans who pay more attention to such things over the long haul have legitimate points as to how FP works and doesn't work. But I still think the overall perception with the general public is positive. And just for the record, Goof, I've never seen the need to flame anyone just cuz they think differently than me. I've always been pro-FP, but I've seen the discussion rage on for several years now, with many intelligent people on both sides of the issue.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >...but Fastpass was for most guests an Epic Fail.< >>>>Sorry, but I just can't let this go. I'd bet that most guests find FP to be a terrific option, one that gives them more usable time in a day and keeps them out of long lines. The uber-fans who pay more attention to such things over the long haul have legitimate points as to how FP works and doesn't work. But I still think the overall perception with the general public is positive. And just for the record, Goof, I've never seen the need to flame anyone just cuz they think differently than me. I've always been pro-FP, but I've seen the discussion rage on for several years now, with many intelligent people on both sides of the issue.<<<< Dan you are correct in one sense...most people that get to use FP find it to be a terrific option. Unfortunately the most Disney will give out in any given day is around 30% or so of a ride capacity. 30% does not most make! The option is only useful if you can actually get the chance to get one. If you don't they are not only useless but a system that slows them down instead of speeding them up. And just for the record, I didn't say that everyone on the board flamed, but it is there. I don't look at who is posting stuff, (bad habit of mine) so I will take your word that you don't...but many did.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Judging from what I've seen in Dan's posting style in the past I would be very surprised if he flamed you, or anyone, over FP. He's one of the more reasonable voices here, IMO.
Originally Posted By tashajilek Fastpass is very good for people in the know. Many quests come and have no idea how to use it or how it works. I guess you could argue some people should do research, but not everyone does.
Originally Posted By tashajilek I have to tell a funny story about someone i know who went to DL. She was explaining her trip and said everyone kept on passing her in line with fastpasses. I asked if she had gotten any fps? she said she didnt know how it worked and thought that if she put her ticket in it would keep it! LOL my husband and i couldnt believe that she thought they would keep her ticket that she paid for.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Judging from what I've seen in Dan's posting style in the past I would be very surprised if he flamed you, or anyone, over FP. He's one of the more reasonable voices here, IMO.< Why, thank you for that, Deb! I've been known to stick up for myself in a good online fight. But flaming someone just for their opinion? That's just plain wrong!
Originally Posted By FerretAfros For me, I've always felt that FP is great when you're the one with it, and terrible when you're the one without it. There's really no middle ground. My vacationing style is more laid back (since I'm on vacation), so I tend not to use something that gives me appointments throughout the day. Given that I rarely used FP with the old system, I doubt I'll use it much with the more strict version either. In my recent 6-day WDW vacation, we had reservations at 3 restuarants, and they worked well. However, I wouldn't want to do much more than that, since it often felt like our entire day had been determined before we even left the hotel room. It's nice to have a little bit of structure, but also allow flexibility for life to happen. I don't see how booking your FP for Space Mountain 6 months ahead of time will do that. Vacation planning will become more stressful and less fun, and the vacation itself will become more stressful and less fun. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who look forward to the change, but I'm not one of them. While I seriously doubt that this move could ever actually lead to the demise of FP, I can hope! (And with additions like KP and SOTMK, they really need to consider how much walkway capacity they have for these guests; the parks don't have unlimited space for FP-holders, game players, and people to actually try to get somewhere all to share the walkways)
Originally Posted By tashajilek If you were able to book 6 months in advance wouldnt you take as many as you can just to be safe? people will take them and god knows how many will be wasted and other people will just be out of luck. Ferret, i totally agree with you on restaurant reservations. If you are at another park and have to go to Epcot you have to leave yourself a lot of time and it can be annoying.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Forgive me...but I'm having a hard time understanding this. At what point in make believe time did I ever say that Dan flamed me. I said I got flamed, I didn't imply that any specific individual did. In fact, I didn't make note of who did, it wasn't important and still isn't. This is twisted around to make me sound like an evil demon, falsely accusing a long time member of this site of something that I didn't even hint he did. Could we please get a fastpass around this! Thanks!
Originally Posted By Fe Maiden <<For me, I've always felt that FP is great when you're the one with it, and terrible when you're the one without it. There's really no middle ground.>> FP is a great study in human nature. Our family jokes about it when we're there. We have FPs for Splash and we walk past the stand-by line, known in our family as "the suckers" with big smiles and a little more spring in our step. 20 minutes later we're in the stand-by line for BTMRR glaring at the jerks with their FPs and smug looks on their faces as they walk right past us.
Originally Posted By TXDISNEYNERD Goofyernmost - Deb was just clarifying when you said you didn't remember who flamed you, that based on what she knew, it wasn't Dan. Nobody was accusing you of saying that Dan flamed you. Since we live not far from a Six Flags, my family was under the impression that you had to pay extra for FP at DL like you do there. If not for my research on LP and other sites before our first trip, we wouldn't have used them. It really helped us get more rides in though for our trip so my experience with FP was enjoyable.
Originally Posted By danyoung ^^^ This. Take it easy there, Goof. I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't the flame thrower, even though you didn't directly accuse me. Deep breaths now, in, out, in, out. . . . .
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>"They're going to start offering them before you even get there for your trip. At least for DVC/Deluxe resort guests." That would be just one more indication that Disney would like Floridians to stay away.<< More like anyone who doesn't spend a ton of money with the mouse. I'll never own a DVC timeshare nor will I ever stay at a Deluxe resort. I suppose that I will be spending my vacation dollars elsewhere and avoid Disney's overcrowded, dated and overpriced theme parks in the future, except perhaps for a day trip to DL when visiting SoCal.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost OK, I've taken my meds. and I'm a lot less jumpy now. (Just kidding...I threw them out years ago) I'll take that as a fastpass back to the topic at hand.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb >>>Goofyernmost - Deb was just clarifying when you said you didn't remember who flamed you, that based on what she knew, it wasn't Dan. Nobody was accusing you of saying that Dan flamed you.<<< Exactly, thank you Tex. I certainly don't consider yor a demon Goof and often times agree with you. I'm not a fan of FP and have experienced how it can effect the Stand By line, at MK's Peter Pan especially. I worry about the Next Gen aspect of this, but I'm hopeful that enforcing the time window will help keep the SB lines from backing up as badly as they do.
