Originally Posted By wahooskipper I think the Seas with Nemo might have actually saved the Living Seas. I don't know too many people who get on Toy Story Mania and don't like it. (The crazy lines and unavailable Fastpasses are evidence of that.) Spaceship Earth is what it is. I'm not sure how it could be made better...or worse for that matter. The Fantasyland update is going to be an overwhelming hit with the masses even if it doesn't thrill the fanatics. Haven't seen the queue enhancements so I can't comment. As for WDI...I think when your talent is limited by the bean counters it does tend to show. That doesn't mean they lack talent...just resources.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<As for WDI...I think when your talent is limited by the bean counters it does tend to show. That doesn't mean they lack talent...just resources.>> It's both. By far it's both.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox ^^ Considering that Steve Kirk and his team were fired after TDS was completed, one could argue for a lack of talent currently at WDI.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""Does the work at DisneySea show a lack of talent at WDI?" Hmmm let's see. OLC footing THREE BILLION to WDI without Burbank looking over thier every shoulder, no movie tie ins, and the Kirk Bros. and othe rold school Imagineers were still there. Then they got fired......
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""Considering that Steve Kirk and his team were fired after TDS was completed, one could argue for a lack of talent currently at WDI"" LIKE (thumbs up icon)
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<It's both. By far it's both.>> I fall into this camp as well. Lets me put it this way. I don't see any show stoppers coming out of WDI recently. Nothing that would compel me to go to a Disney park anyway. And there doesn't seem to be anything on the horizon that would compel me to visit a Disney park either. I think the Little Mermaid ride will be good... but haven't been on it yet and in my opinion it is going to be too short in duration. We just haven't seen anything as good as the "classics" built decades ago. And judging from what rides are going into the parks, we are not likely to see anything that can compete with the quality of the classic rides. As far as the parks at WDW are concerned, expect Disney to keep churning out HM, IASW, PoC, Space Mountain, Jungle Cruise, BTMR, Splash Mountain pins! I do want to qualify Soarin. Even though I consider Soarin to be fun and popular. It no longer motivates me to go to WDW. And in my opinion even though it is different from many other rides/ attractions at WDW, it is not up to the show quality of the classics. Same goes for Expedition Everest.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Does the work at DisneySea show a lack of talent at WDI? >> Look at what's been added to TDS since it opened (AKA after its initial team was canned) : Fantasmic! Turtle Talk Toy Story Mania A Carpets clone Raging Spirits And a ToT clone. The only worthwhile additions on the list are ToT and Fantasmic. ToT's new story and scenes are pretty good, but that's easy to do when you have such a great jumping off point, and Fant! is another Davidson production. So Disney better hope they never lose Steve Davidson...because they'd be screwed.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Oh and on top of that...they're all clones, save for Fantasmic. Every single regular attraction opened at the park since opening is a clone.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 I wouldn't even rate TDS's ToT that highly. If you had told me Rhode had worked on it, I wouldn't be surprised(beside that fact I could SWEAR black and blue the Harrison Hightower actor IS JR!). The attraction is pretty much all set up and then paltry follow through. Typical Joe Rhode.
Originally Posted By LindsayC [If you had told me Rhode had worked on it, I wouldn't be surprised(beside that fact I could SWEAR black and blue the Harrison Hightower actor IS JR!)] Rohde didn’t work on the attraction - however Rohde is Hightower, so no doubt there.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Actually, ToT at TDS is not a Joe Rohde project. Yes, Joe is Hightower. But that's the extent of his involvement.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox LOL, Lindsay! Great minds think alike. (BTW... good to 'see' you on the boards again. Miss you and Lee around these parts, definitely.)
Originally Posted By MrDisney72 I think one of the big problems with the new attractions coming to the park today has to do with the kind of jumps in technology that we're seeing in the 'real' world. Back when Disney was around and many of the rides we consider 'classics' were made, Animatronics were THE big thing. Now, most technological advances revolve around making computers smaller and faster, and making computer screens do better and better things. Its difficult to make immersive and innovative environments when you're limited severely by the type of technology coming around.
Originally Posted By fkurucz The issue is what do you do with the technology? If you are going to rely solely on computers and hidef monitors then your attractions will be "me too" experiences. It's worth keeping in mind that a lot of the classic Disney attractions were built using parts out of a standard catalog.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Why would I want to go to a Disney park so I can look at a computer monitor? I can stay home and do that.
Originally Posted By MrDisney72 I think that is what makes it difficult. How can we take a lot of this snazzy new technology and turn it into something that people actually want to go and experience. Even 3D, which was a staple of bad Disney attractions for a while, has now fully infiltrated movie theatres and home entertainment. Disney needs to find something to do with the technology that people can't take home. I've never heard heard of anyone having an animatronic Abe Lincoln or a Log Flume in their home.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Actually what Disney has been doing with more modern technology is upgrading the equipment on their rides/ attractions. I know for a fact that Disney has been implementing touch screen controls to many of their major rides in most of their parks in USA, Japan and the one in Hong Kong. Not sure about Paris. Regardless, the worst thing that could happen to any Disney park is for them to become sports bars with TV monitors everywhere. I can stay home and watch TV, movies or computer monitors. I'm not going to pay 100 USD a day to do that in Orlando, FL.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub WDW has just announced a hugely discounted 3 Day Ticket offer to Southern Florida residents thru May 2012. I can not believe how crazy and desperate that makes WDW appear. We want the rich and the cheap and we don't care about anything else unless you have money.
