Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Rumor has it that the reason that the Avengerail is on the MK line instead of the Epcot line is that Universal owns the THEME PARK rights to the marvel characters east of the Mississippi> Reason #673 that it was a dumb idea for Disney to buy Marvel.
Originally Posted By Bellella Vertical integration sucks, and that's just what they're doing. As for Marvel going into WDW, BAD IDEA!!!!! I hope to heaven they stay out of D-land forever!!!!!
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 <Rumor has it that the reason that the Avengerail is on the MK line instead of the Epcot line is that Universal owns the THEME PARK rights to the marvel characters east of the Mississippi> Reason #673 that it was a dumb idea for Disney to buy Marvel.<< Without Marvel or Pixar Disney would have an absolute horrible year at the Box Office. The house of ideas at Disney is long dead...It's a good thing they did make those purchases as to save "Disney".
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Only that's not really saving Disney because Disney isn't really Disney anymore. They were saving a totally different company that just uses the Disney name.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 ORDDU: Only that's not really saving Disney because Disney isn't really Disney anymore. They were saving a totally different company that just uses the Disney name. That company was long dead before the Marvel purchase was made....
Originally Posted By fkurucz "I'm sure it will be just as classy as this (Green Lantern bus)" What? No Teen Titans Trolley? I'm crushed!
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Reason #673 that it was a dumb idea for Disney to buy Marvel.<< Without Marvel or Pixar Disney would have an absolute horrible year at the Box Office. The house of ideas at Disney is long dead...It's a good thing they did make those purchases as to save "Disney".> That's Disney's fault for dumping $300 million into a movie like 'John Carter.' The thing is, Disney paid 4 billion -- that's billion with a 'b' -- for Marvel. And yet, there are all these various provisos. Universal owns the theme park rights. (that can't be good!) Paramount/Dreamworks distribute the next several movies. By the time the Marvel empire finally falls under the Disney spreadsheets, Tony Stark will be receiving Medicaid payments. It will be interesting to see how the the almighty 'Avengers' movie does. And also Pixar's 'Brave' -- which has very little positive buzz at this point, and whose previews look like a combination of 'How to Train Your Dragon' and outtakes from 'Tangled' -- in other words, not a slam dunk. Buying Marvel, in my opinion, was a mistake. "The Muppets" movie seemed to do pretty well. So, there's that... Disney got rid of Miramax back in 2010, and the future of Touchstone Pictures seems to be up in the air. Hollywood Pictures was always the red-headed stepchild to Touchstone, and hasn't released anything in years. When you start thinking about it -- what is Disney doing exactly?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<The thing is, Disney paid 4 billion -- that's billion with a 'b' -- for Marvel. And yet, there are all these various provisos. Universal owns the theme park rights. (that can't be good!) Paramount/Dreamworks distribute the next several movies. >> Well, Universal has the rights in Florida, not global rights (although Japan is a grey area), and Paramount's distribution deal is done. From no one all Avengers-centric movies (Thor, Cap, Iron Man) will be released by Disney. Of course they don't have X-Men or Spider-man rights, which is terrible for them. The Disney studios division is a mess though. Without Marvel and Pixar they'd be in trouble.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Well, Universal has the rights in Florida, not global rights (although Japan is a grey area), and Paramount's distribution deal is done. From no one all Avengers-centric movies (Thor, Cap, Iron Man) will be released by Disney. Of course they don't have X-Men or Spider-man rights, which is terrible for them.> See what I'm saying about all the provisos? Disney bought Marvel...sort of. And sorry to all the comic book / super hero foamers, but this particular movie subject bubble is about to burst. 'Superhero movies' is going the same way as when Disney was cranking out animated features in the late 90s after 'Mermaid' 'Beauty and the Beast' 'Aladdin' and 'Lion King' took off.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^I have to disagree about super hero movies. As long as quality films are made, they'll remain popular. The problem with Disney's animated movies is they became worse and worse as the 90s went on, not that they were making them. The reverse is happening with the comic book movie for the most part. They've gotten better and better.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA The reverse is happening with the comic book movie for the most part. They've gotten better and better.> That may be true. But they all look the same and feel the same. "Dark Knight" looks like "Green Lantern" looks like "Iron Man" looks like "Thor" -- and even "Transformers" -- they're all big, noisy computer generated monstrosities.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^I take it you've never seen any of them. Because that is a pretty ignorant statement. The movies are really nothing alike, especially comparing something like The Dark Knight to something like Green Lantern.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper If you think Green Lantern and Dark Knight are comparable, you're either ignorant to story structure, directing, visual and underlying themes, and script quality, or you weren't paying very much attention to the movies.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper If you think Green Lantern and Dark Knight are comparable, you're either ignorant to story structure, directing, visual and underlying themes, and script quality, or you weren't paying very much attention to the movies.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper (Green Lantern sucked, BTW. One of the worst movies I've ever seen. But Dark Knight was a masterpiece.)
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I don't think the acquisiton of Marvel diminishes Disney and I think it remains to be seen if it will be a long term benefit. I don't think it is fair to say the genre is on the way out. It has peaks and valleys but I've been watching superhero tv shows and movies my whole life. I think there will always be a market for them. And, if Disney has the opportunity at some point to build a Marvel theme park somewhere I'm intrigued as to what that might look like. As far as the monorail skirting around the Seven Seas Lagoon I can't say it would make a difference one way or the other. When a kid is wearing a Spiderman shirt in the Magic Kingdom it doesn't ruin my day.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<When a kid is wearing a Spiderman shirt in the Magic Kingdom it doesn't ruin my day.>> Because those two things are equatable.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <<When a kid is wearing a Spiderman shirt in the Magic Kingdom it doesn't ruin my day.>> It's not about ruining a person's day. It's about making sound business decisions. It's going to take many years to make back $4 billion dollars, and with all the various parts of the deal that aren't really Disney's, it makes it all that more fuzzy. And with a brand like Marvel, it's so watered down right now, that for Disney to buy it, seems downright wasteful.
