Originally Posted By ArchtMig Thanks for the pics. How weird it is that the installer mounted that monorail logo plate backwards like he did. It must have been a hot day the day the guy attached the plates, with the temperature inside the cab approaching 110 degrees, and the poor guy's brains were frying and he didn't realize what he was doing. But regardless... this new monorail looks SHARP! The styling is so clean and happening... can't wait for all the bugs to get worked out and to get a chance to ride it myself.
Originally Posted By Westsider I was joking about Bethany. There is no air conditioning in the new monorail cabins. Miceage was correct in reporting all of the ongoing problems, and lack of air conditioning and air flow is just one of many problems that still keeps Monorail Red from running continually. They are still only testing Monorail Red by letting Guests ride in it a few hours per day, mostly in the evening when the sun is going down or has already set. The weather in Anaheim is seasonably warm, highs in the low to mid 80's the last few days, but definitely not real hot. When the next heat wave arrives and we get up into the 90's, the Monorail team is unsure just how bad it will be with a train full of sweaty bodies operating in the direct sun for hours at a time. They are going to play it by ear. Until then, random short testing with guests will continue. No word on Monorail Blue, which still needs a lot of the fixes and patches applied to Red. Poor little Bethany, she got some folks all excited about air conditioning that doesn't exist. ;-)
Originally Posted By rtjl72 how exciting that the monorails are at least a step closer to being operational!
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORGOCH: Too bad there's only 190 more steps ta go! I say stay AWAY from gittin' on them monster-rails!! They ain't safe no time, no how, no way!!!
Originally Posted By cwade I cannot beieve that they could not install some form of air conditioning in the monorail. There are a lot of light weight options. Or perhaps it's time to get creative, perhaps install piping with the water to cool the air and actually cool the liquid that goes through the piping at the stations, then drain and refill the piping when the monorail reaches the stations, providing enough cool liquid for each portion of the trip, this would provide Air Conditioning, the piping could be used to cool the air that is already being pumped into the cabins and would reduce the amount of weight that is needed, not to mention it reduces the power requirements for the Monorail as it would draw power at the stations not from the tracks, which is probably one of the largest problems, I can't believe that weight is that big of an issue, as there are plenty of things that could be done easily to the track to compensate for additional weight.
Originally Posted By spacejockey Can't they run some kind of vent from the air conditioned nose and tail cone to the rest of the train?
Originally Posted By nemopoppins It does seem like it should be very possible to air condition the cars in some not too burdensome way. Maybe we will see some modifications to that effect in the other trains.
Originally Posted By Westsider From a Monorail Lead I spoke with this weekend; Monorail Red will be used for testing with Guests for short periods of time so long as the temperature in Anaheim is under 80 degrees. When the temperature rises above 80 degrees, the train will be pulled back to the roundhouse to wait for the temperature to fall back below 80 degrees. Considering this is July, basically that means the first few hours of the morning and the evening hours when the sun has set and the temps drop back into the 70's.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster Are we to assume the new monorails will only run regularly during the off-season then? This whole thing is beyond ridiculous.
Originally Posted By believe See the air scoops they put in? Interesting to see what happens when it starts to rain! I would have put scoops on the windows (from inside), then have exhaust ports in the ceiling/roof. Of course, not as pretty, but still looks good.
Originally Posted By Mickeyfan1 Bob Gurr, where are you? Disney needs you now more than ever. When will they learn to go with the experts! Bob would never had let this happen.
Originally Posted By Westsider It was the Disneyland Safety Department that is to blame for the dumb window design and sauna-like cabin temperatures. They got shot down on their plan to roll every Disneyland guest in bubble wrap as they came through the turnstiles, so they are trying to stop every ability for anyone to do something stupid to themselves. WDI is to blame for a lot of the problems under the skin of the new monorails, and there are still plenty of those issues to go around. But the window disaster is totally at the feet of the Disneyland Safety Department. Although, one could argue that an Imagineer thinking through mandated design changes might have considered air flow and cabin temperatures when that window requirement was handed to them. Perhaps WDI did bring that issue up however, only to be shot down by the Safety Nazis from TDA. The new monorails are a design and functionality disaster now approaching the scale of Rocket Rods, and many of the folks responsible will just blend into the woodwork and no one will ever know.
Originally Posted By Skippy Dear Disney Safety Department, How many people fell out of the old monorail windows? How many people were injured sticking arms out the windows?
Originally Posted By ArchtMig ^^^ Right. And I would submit that the new windows are more dangerous than the old ones because the gap is now at the bottom of the windows, rather than the top, and it sure looks like it would be very very easy for children especially to stick their whole arm out of the bottom of the windows while the monorails are in motion. Not that there is anything close enough to grab ahold of, but not a good situation regardless.
Originally Posted By 2001DLFan ^^^^ The result of that may be similar to the child that lost a finger on the TSI Fort gun. An arm sticking out the window and then making some sudden move can cause significant injuries.
Originally Posted By ImaginingDisney The windows are standard safety glass with industry standard attachment methods. Very similar to the buses and ability to open the windows. You RARELY see the top open, it is always the bottom. Of course, you don't get air flow from bottom to top, it is front to rear, of which most of the window is closed..... And those VENTS??!? Who spends this kind of money and cuts holes in the vehicle and puts those ugly vents in? I'd like to see how they plan to keep the rain out of those vents. Yeah, it'll work, sort of but YEACH!!!! We can only HOPE that those vents are temporary because of the pressure to get Mono RED on the beamway and in service with plans to come up with a better idea. There were a couple ideas on the Mono Orange Arrives string...... But those vents are so crap, they cant be permananet. It just isnt DISNEY (or is that "Old Disney") to do that to a thing of beauty. ID Please hold onto your packagages, cameras and children until the monorail comes to a complete stop.
Originally Posted By nemopoppins Where can we see a picture of the new scoops? Before, yeah it might have been a "design and functionality disaster," but it was BEAUTIFUL!!! Now we have nothing?
Originally Posted By ImaginingDisney >>>> Where can we see a picture of the new scoops? Before, yeah it might have been a "design and functionality disaster," but it was BEAUTIFUL!!! Now we have nothing? <<<< Not nothing! The monorail has an innerbeauty, for a train with 20 year old cabs and new nosecones and tailcones. But the original idea was to make it look like the MK I and MK II with a modern flare. They did that. The dryer vents are installed two in the front and aft of each car, on each side of the roof hand rail, so 4 per car. It looks like they are over the angle area for and aft of the compartment. In the pics you can see the holes in the ceiling, and also the dryer vent in the roof. The VId is really hard to see them because of the quality but the pics put them right there. Make your own opinion of how they look. I dont like them. Video <a href="http://www.laughingplace.com/Lotion-View-701.asp" target="_blank">http://www.laughingplace.com/L...-701.asp</a> Pics <a href="http://ocresort.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/03/new-red-disneyland-monorail-takes-first-public-guests-around-the-park/" target="_blank">http://ocresort.freedombloggin...he-park/</a> ID Please stand clear of the vents during rain season, you will definately get soaked lololol
Originally Posted By monorailblue Here's a direct link. <a href="http://www.laughingplace.com/Showpic.asp?filename=http://s231432788.onlinehome.us/lotion/pics/SS20080711-DLMonorail/big/P03-0003.jpg&caption=Detail+of+roof+vents" target="_blank">http://www.laughingplace.com/S...of+vents</a> No holes were cut in the ceiling itself--the scoops are part of the pre-existing emergency hatches. The hatches were not equipped with the scoops initially, but the scoops have been in place for 2 months already. The roof itself has not been changed, only the emergency hatches. Red is currently cleared to carry 15 passengers per cabin when the temperature is below 80 degrees. Otherwise, it is not clear to carry passengers.
Originally Posted By ImaginingDisney >>>>>No holes were cut in the ceiling itself--the scoops are part of the pre-existing emergency hatches. The hatches were not equipped with the scoops initially, but the scoops have been in place for 2 months already. The roof itself has not been changed, only the emergency hatches.<<<<<< Thank you for that pic..... Hey they can replace the hatch if they can figure out a different way to cool the cars. >>>>>>Red is currently cleared to carry 15 passengers per cabin when the temperature is below 80 degrees. Otherwise, it is not clear to carry passengers<<<<<<< Wow, 15 people, be like riding in an empty room...... it will be interesting to see how they upgrade to the next step to get to normal capacity...... I suppose during all this experimentation, BLUE and ORANGE will sit in the garage? I guess that makes sense..... ID Please insert your ear plugs before the monorail continues to the next station
