Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: Yes, the Snow White dark ride WAS changed in the 90's. It used to be all about the old hag--trying to get you to eat one of her poisoned apples. I don't believe Snow White was even seen in it. The dwarves were seen though. Then they changed it to tell more of the story in a chronological way which really appealed to this cauldron girl. That's one of the reasons I'll miss it. Of course if they do a good job with the indoor rollercoaster, I'll forgive them for ruining the dark ride. ORDDU: Snow White's Scary Adventures, as it is now, may not be the most thrilling attraction at the Kingdom, but it deserves more love and respect than some ducklings, here, are giving it. It was the ONLY attraction in the whole park that catered to Princess lovers. It amuses me whenever I hear others bashing the wonderful princesses that Disney has given us because when you stop to think about it, Snow White's attraction is really the only one there ever was that focused on a Disney Princess. But certain immature reactions were expressed to get others to jump on the 'let's hate the princesses' band wagon and facts were mis-stated and it all turned out to be much ado about nothing. ORWEN: Fairytales have always been the backbone of Disney's success in terms of movies and I wouldn't mind if each one was represented with a dark ride. I'm proud to admit I love the Disney fairytales AND the Disney Princesses!!!
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: I believe we mentioned this before but a cast member recently told us that the former sky way station isn't safe to enter any more, due to termite infestation and that it will eventually have to be torn down. We had also heard a rumor that, eventually, something might be built there for the princesses to have a permanent meet and greet area. Supposedly the current Snow White attraction is only meant to be a temporary meet and greet for the princesses. But as others have pointed out, Disney's version of temporary can be something quite different from what you'd expect.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> But certain immature reactions were expressed to get others to jump on the 'let's hate the princesses' band wagon and facts were mis-stated and it all turned out to be much ado about nothing. << Not sure which of the multiple personalities I should address this to: What do you mean?
Originally Posted By brotherdave There's no question that the Princesses belong in Fantasyland, Witches. And it doesn't bother me if they set up few meet and greet areas for them as part of the new FL. It's just that during the first announcement, other than the Little Mermaid, a second Dumbo, and possibly a Cuddle-Up type ride in Pixie Hollow, the whole expansion seemed, well, there was a little too much empahsis on them. Now with the new plans unveiled, I really like the new Seven Dwarf coaster concept. But it's WHERE they're putting the princesses that's really bothering me by destroying a classic dark ride. There has to be room elsewhere in Fantasyland for the Princesses to meet their little fans without removing a ride. I want to see MORE rides in the Magic Kingdom, not keeping the same number constant.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: I think what I said was clear enough. But if you need it spelled out further, I'll simply say that there seems to be a certain mind set among some whoe are determined to hate the Disney Princesses for whatever reason and I'm simply saying it makes them look immature--as if they've got some deeper reason behind their hatred that makes no real sense. It could be something as simple as male chauvenism. I don't claim to know for certain. But the hatred seems to be taken too far. ORWEN: I've seen the same sort of thing happening among haters of Winnie the Pooh and the Toy Story characters. Sometimes the haters of these characters come across as though they're so obsessed with their hatred that it makes them look almost evil. The characters were created to bring joy and happiness into the world--not to inspire hate. I just don't understand anybody who'd want to bash the characters the way some do. ORGOCH: As fer addressin' somethin' ta somebody with mult'ple personal'ties, I suggest ya git in touch with Dr. Phil. He might be able ta help ya out!
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: I agree with you brotherdave, duckling. The places their putting certain things don't appeal to me either. And I've already said I will miss the Snow White dark ride. I would rather have the princess meet and greet go over where the former skyway building is.
Originally Posted By brotherdave And so would I, Witches. Let's hope that their new home will truly be temporary and that the Skyway area can be used to accomodate them someday so that a new dark ride adventure could possibly emerge on the site of Snow White's Scary Adventures. Hopefully sooner rather than later, but I won't hold my breath...
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Yay! More tired entertainment being brought back!<<< We already have MSEP... hopefully we get a new pyro show, and something in EPCOT.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> ORDDU: I think what I said was clear enough. But if you need it spelled out further, I'll simply say that there seems to be a certain mind set among some whoe are determined to hate the Disney Princesses for whatever reason and I'm simply saying it makes them look immature--as if they've got some deeper reason behind their hatred that makes no real sense. It could be something as simple as male chauvenism. I don't claim to know for certain. But the hatred seems to be taken too far. << I sorta understand what you're saying... >> But certain immature reactions were expressed to get others to jump on the 'let's hate the princesses' band wagon and facts were mis-stated and it all turned out to be much ado about nothing. << But what facts were misstated? And what "turned out to be much ado about nothing"? You mean because they're adding the mine train the uproar turned out to be overstated? Fans have the right to express boredom with the princesses. Just because you luv the characters and buy into the Disney brand hook, line, and sinker doesn't mean that someone else who dislikes the abundant characterization of the parks necessarily possesses some kind of sexist mentality. >> ORGOCH: As fer addressin' somethin' ta somebody with mult'ple personal'ties, I suggest ya git in touch with Dr. Phil. He might be able ta help ya out! << I'm the Disney Toilet Guru who is obsessed with magical toilets, which might be a pathological condition. But not being able to post a message without adopting multiple cartoon personas is almost certainly pathological.
Originally Posted By dshyates "But not being able to post a message without adopting multiple cartoon personas is almost certainly pathological." So!?! What's your point? "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men" -WW
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I'm the Disney Toilet Guru who is obsessed with magical toilets, which might be a pathological condition.>> I'd say more proctological myself ... btw, I am sorry about the unauthorized bio ... maybe we can work together on a documentary of your life? How about 'Magical Flushes: One Man's Epic Journey To Find The Best Seat in the Magic Kingdom'?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>> I'll simply say that there seems to be a certain mind set among some whoe are determined to hate the Disney Princesses for whatever reason and I'm simply saying it makes them look immature--as if they've got some deeper reason behind their hatred that makes no real sense. It could be something as simple as male chauvenism. I don't claim to know for certain. But the hatred seems to be taken too far. << Nop, I am a liberal feminist. What I hate is pimping toons all the time, everywhere. Disney used to be about soooooo much more than synergistic pushing of toon IPR left, right and centre. It makes me sick. Of course I love it when my little Jessica has a huge grin on her face meeting her fav princesses, just like Jack Skellington was a bit of a thrill for me. And I will never forget the first time my wife met Mickey. But, I have always viewed the characters in the same way as Toony painted, a cherry on top. something you happen upon. Having designated meet and greets totally takes the magic out of it for me. And turfing out an attraction space is even more depressing. Like I said, turn the Village House into character dining, create an accessable area at Skyway, build in a Fantasia Garden area with gazebos, something. But turfing out a dark ride space for this is the disappointing part, and I would feel that way about any meet and greet, even if it were Walt Disney himself on Display.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Is this a chick or the egg scenario though Dave? Are they pimping the Princesses or is the demand for Princesses causing them to be pimped? As to the area around the skyway station, I hope they don't do anything there. That area is always a bottleneck, even during the offseason. Imagine if they did put some kind of Meet 'n Greet there. It would be a nighmare trying to get into Liberty Square.
Originally Posted By disney pete Im kinda liking the new concepts though hugely dissapointed that we have to lose snow white in the process. one good thing is by the time we go back there, all walls cranes diggers etc will be gone
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo You could be right Don. Just as I am not a fan of chart music, and not a fan of reality TV, perhaps the masses have moved in a direction I do not enjoy. Now where can I go to get highly themed environmental experiences? Not Disney anymore. Nor Vegas either. Hmmmmm, Universal? Maybe Japan?
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Go to a National Park Dave and enjoy the real environment! I agree with you, I'm not fan of reality tv and today's music has passed me by (well, except for Country). But, and sshhhhh...don't tell anyone...maybe we are just getting old. What I did like about the concept drawings was the natural elements that I saw. Whether or not those elements make it to the final product remains to be seen but if it does that could be an enjoyable area to roam even if you don't care for Princesses.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo As you know, we do travel to other places too. Though I must confess, past of the issue with national parks are the disabilities in the family make for some challenge. And also, with national parks, the variety can be lacking. I loved the Grand Canyon, but after a while, when the awe died down, it was more of the same for days. Same with Yosemite. I know, I am a philostein. But it is the variety of Disney that I always adored. Lots of things in small pockets. Sure, we could, and have been to real locations (Adventureland - Hawaii, Far East, Middle East,Africa; Frontierland - the wild west - Virginia City, 49er trail, Monument Valley, Bryce Canyon etc.; Fantasyland - I live in Europe; Tomorrow - ok the Channel Tunnel and some tech work I used to do). But not all in one day, it does not offer the idealised family environment Disney used to. But this year, we are doing a mixed trip in one vacation - starting in Northern France with a trip down to our villa at DLP for a week (we will take a day out to go into Paris), then a trip through the Chapagne region through Metz to Strasbourg; then into Germany to Europa park for three nights (staying in a Roman collosium themed hotel in the Black Forest - the park is like a cross between Epcot and Busch Gardens). Then a trip through the Black Forest via Frieberg to Heidelberg, then up the Rhine for a few days to Cologne, spending a night in the Ling Bao Chinese Hotel at Phantasialand and then going home via either Brussels or Brugge in Belgium. But I would trade it all for an early 80's Disneyland experience.
