Originally Posted By wonderingalice ^^Ditto... It's close enough to the two-story buildings in NOS. And I really love the idea of being able to do dinner and Fantasmic there.
Originally Posted By monorailblue I'm surprised no one is talking more about the reported slow down of Submarine--to a full 14 mintues. I think that's excellent, as the lengthy, uber-interesting Attractions are favorites, but it presents an interesting problem. The Submarines always had too frequent problems with kids and potty needs, plus occasional nausea, etc. When a sub has one of those problems, it has to remain empty until it is cleaned up. Well, with a ride that is close to double the length (in time), and lines that will be longer than they perhaps ever had been, I suspect these problems could become very, very frequent. We'll have to see. Perhaps while they dig up the whole area, they should install restrooms somewhere and allow folks to step out of line and right back in again to, ahem, 'prepare' for their undersea voyage?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I hope that the additional ride length does not affect capacity as much as I think it will. Part of what limits capacity is how long it is between when subs arrive at the dock. With a slower speed, this time will increase, and lower the already too low capacity. Perhaps after a few weeks of testing and running it (even after the opening) they will see a problem and speed it back up. Although people would miss out on some of the details, I think it would be better to leave them something that calls them back that they missed the first time, than leaving them in an atrociously long line that never moves (as opposed to an atrociously long line that ocasionally moves).
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Actually, abit slower will not slow down capacity that much, the key is to have one of the 8 subs dispatched about every 17 minutes. At the current reported "slower" speed, all that will do is eliminate a back up in the last scenes. If you load in the front sections, and empty in the rear, and that the process takes to 2 to 3 minutes, you should run at about maximum capacity per hour. Based on the final show scene, and the need to keep moving thru the last scene, you only have one "empty" space between the exit of the caverns and the loading/unloading dock. I know that they have done the engineering and the math to keep the ride running as smoothly as possible and as high as capacity as possible.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Why would anyone be nauseous on the Subs? They don't actually float, do they? That would be like getting seasick on the Mark Twain.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Also, the subs and the Twain do both float. The Twain floats along the river, but it's massive size counteracts any waves which could be found on the river, which would be pretty small to begin with. The subs float as a way to make it easier to move them. They are not completely free floating, but use the boyancy as a way to lift off the bottom of the track in order to use less power to move them around. That's why they needed to fill up the lagoon a few months ago to move them out of the caves. Although they could have theoretically done it without any water, it would have been exponentially more difficult.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Based on the final show scene, and the need to keep moving thru the last scene ... << So what's the final show scene? I'm guessing the eruption of mount wannahockaloogie.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Just got back from the park, the Mark Twain was placed in the secondary dock today. And this was with VERY little notice for the CM's running the Mark Twain/Columbia, as they needed to get a last minute costume change for the Columbia... The Mark Twain had some TLC, including a lot of cleaning and epoxy on the Starboard side of the lower level, where the worst wood rot was, and where the main photos were shown on Tuesday... The RRPP closes Monday for about 2 weeks to repair its floor and drink island problems... Good to see the repairs happening so quickly.... On the internet on Tuesday, repairs on Friday....
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL >>>They are not completely free floating, but use the boyancy as a way to lift off the bottom of the track in order to use less power to move them around. That's why they needed to fill up the lagoon a few months ago to move them out of the caves. Although they could have theoretically done it without any water<<< Well, its been quite a few years since I worked on the Subs and the River but you are very incorrect about this. The only way to move the Subs or the Mark Twain is the prop or paddle wheel, respectively. There is no power to the tracks at all, hence no way to move the vessels without the water, unless by crane. The only thing the tracks do for either of these vessels is stear them on their predetermined course.
Originally Posted By bean in regards to post 29. you don't ctually think that the repairs are being done because of the photos? both the Mark Twain and pizza port had already been penciled in for repair work and enhancements before those pictures were posted
Originally Posted By Darkbeer bean, yes I do, after talking to the CM's yesterday, they were ORIGINALLY scheduled to work the Mark Twain and were told to wear that costume, but got a call on Thursday to wear the Columbia costume instead, the Mark Twain went to the secondary dock and got an UNSCHEDULED repair. I also got an e-mail from a maintenance person on Wednesday letting me know that the Mark Twain was going to pulled off the river on Friday due to my photos in Al's update on Tuesday. So multiple sources confirm that the Mark Twain was pulled, and the ONLY thing that was done was address the major wood rot on the starboard side. They also repainted the Dumbo Organ Refurb Walls due to the photos. But yes, the Pizza Port refurb was previously scheduled.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: You're such a champion, Darkbeer, duckling! It's not at all difficult for us, here in Morva, to believe your photos in Al's article were instrumental in effecting a much needed rescue of the Mark Twain. Just keep up the good work, dear.
Originally Posted By mrichmondj << bean, yes I do, after talking to the CM's yesterday, they were ORIGINALLY scheduled to work the Mark Twain and were told to wear that costume, but got a call on Thursday to wear the Columbia costume instead, the Mark Twain went to the secondary dock and got an UNSCHEDULED repair >> The Mark Twain has always been scheduled for a rehab this spring while Fantasmic! was down. I guess it works for the "activist" websites to spin it this way, but there isn't a whole lot of truth to it. I recommend the folks who like to criticize maintenance management go out and get a job in this field for a few years to learn how it really works. There's plenty of ideas passed around on some of these sites that leads me to believe that no one has a clue about the realities of facilities maintenance, schedules, and everything else related to those subjects.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Walt Disney had a clue. It's just that so many who have been put in charge, since, don't care to follow the good examples he set down. They all think they 'know better' than the one who was already the best.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice Is there really a need for the sniping here? Okay, so the Mark Twain was scheduled for a refurb this Spring... If the schedule was bumped up due to Darkbeer's photos, that's pretty darn cool... And very 'telling' about the value of his comprehensive photos.
Originally Posted By mrichmondj Except that the schedule wasn't bumped. It was always there, based on the closure of Fantasmic! and when the work was completed on the Columbia. There's only room in the drydock for one ship at a time.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice I don't purport to know the scheduled dates, but it sure sounds as though the refurb was unexpected on the day it began. And according to the e-mail Darkbeer received from the maintenance guy... *Shrug*
Originally Posted By Darkbeer But it WASN't scheduled... Do I have to post the e-mails I got, or the FACT that the CM's were called the day before and told of a costume change since they were running the Columbia instead of the Mark Twain on Friday, which was on the schedule to be run. Do you think I just came across the epoxy repair? Or do you think I was given a heads up and to stop by and grab a few photos? And why was ONLY the repair made to the few planks on the Starboard side? The Mark Twain should be on the river today, and I plan to stop by the park today to show the finished work....
