Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "that isn't quite accurate." I think it is. It was 1955 and based on 1950s standards. That whole look was based on suburban white families of the day. Times have changed. "what harm is there in her taking it removing it while performing her tasks?" What harm would be caused if we forced a cast member to come in on Sunday morning after they made a request to attend church on Sunday mornings? Look, we're really understaffed and it hurts employee morale when one person gets the morning off. It doesn't matter. You get Sundays off. It doesn't matter how stupid I think it is. It doesn't matter how stupid your employer thinks it is. All that matters if that you get Sunday morning off and you attend church, if that's your thing. "When those standards slip or change people often notice." When the standards are maintained to please the xenophobic or the bigoted, I would hope people speak out against it. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people side with Disney on this one. Comments about this story are filled with vitriol. Many people are telling her to go back where she came from (she's an American citizen). Many people are making ridiculous comparisons to Middle Eastern countries (hey, they wouldn't allow her any rights over there, let's replicate that here!). The OC Weekly has pointed some of the most insane comments out here: <a href="http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/the-hilarious-haters/racist-oc-register-reader-fust-30/" target="_blank">http://blogs.ocweekly.com/nave...fust-30/</a> "She was fitted for a Disney-supplied head scarf but was not given a date when the garment would be finished and was told she couldn't wear her own hijab in the interim." I wonder what it's going to look like. They are giving her the runaround. There is no reason for them to design a new headscarf. The one she has is fine. It's very basic.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I guess what I mean to say is where is the custom made scarf? It sounds to me like management has made an effort to accommodate her, but the process seems to be moving far too slowly.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "that isn't quite accurate." >>I think it is. It was 1955 and based on 1950s standards. That whole look was based on suburban white families of the day. Times have changed.<< Yes they have, buy your claim suggests that white people in the 50's weren't Muslim. The appearance standards used at Disneyland in 1955 were typical of most service industry business of DL's caliber at that time, regardless of what ethnicity the employees were. Sure the audience and staff at DL were predominantly white, but the appearance standards were pretty universal for the time period.
Originally Posted By avatarmickey115 I think Disney gets so sensitive about the wardrobe and appearance because of some guests that would get angry about things like that. I personally dont care what employees wear, but some guests will freak out if they notice somebody is Muslim. I don't know. Disney never wins. They try their hardest to please everyone but nobody really cares.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I wonder what it's going to look like.<< I would imagine that it will be made of a matching material that compliments the rest of the costume. Which, to me, is the win-win solution to the whole thing.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>There is no reason for them to design a new headscarf.<< While I would agree that this shouldn't take very long to do (surely they have matching material in stock or readily available from their supplier -- and then it's a pretty simple matter of cut, hem, deliver), I think having a hijab created with matching material achieves what both sides in this say they want (for her, the ability to observe her faith's customs and for Disney, a neat, uniform appearance among the Storytellers cast members).
Originally Posted By hopemax > They are giving her the runaround. There is no reason for them to design a new headscarf. The one she has is fine. It's very basic. < And black pants and a white dress shirt are basic too. Yet, my Mom has to go to costuming to get hers and not just what she already has at home. This is at WDW though, so are DL CM's allowed to wear anything "basic" from home, aside from socks and shoes? I imagine Disney foresees that she is not going to be the only woman in their employ, now and in the future, who would like to wear a head scarf, if given the option. They would probably prefer that there will be a standardized scarf; probably one that can be worn by women in a variety of positions, property wide. The same way black and khaki pants are standardized, or a white shirt is standardized.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I think having a hijab created with matching material achieves what both sides in this say they want (for her, the ability to observe her faith's customs and for Disney, a neat, uniform appearance among the Storytellers cast members)." Exactly Kar2oonMan. I'm kind of wondering why the costuming thing is so hard for some people to understand. It's not like Disney is the only company on Earth that has standardized appearance standards for its employees. The thing that confuses me is why it's taking Disney so long to deliver the approved head covering.
Originally Posted By doombuggy So if she has the right to ware this on the job then. Jewish cm's can have yamakas, grow beards, locks and have a star of David around the neck in plane sight. christian cm's can have crosses and rosary beads in plane sight. hindu cm's can have a bindi.
Originally Posted By Ursula <"Tell me the difference, quick!" Religious tradition and protection under the Civil Rights Act of 1964.> Nope. Religion has NOTHING to do with it. Wrong answer. The fact that it is a religious garment has nothing to do with it. If she were a devil worshipper, same thing would apply. You can't wear devil horns because it isn't a part of the work costume. Just as someone cannot wear a cross the size of a tree trunk.
Originally Posted By Ursula <he Disney Look is based on an "all-American," all-white, all-Christian type of appearance. Christians don't traditionally wear headgear, for example, so it was never included in the Disney look. If Christians wore some kind of thing on their head all the time, that would have been accounted for.> Wrong again. There are rules for such things as non-white hair styles too. Christianity has NOTHING to do with the Disney Look.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> So if she has the right to ware this on the job then. Jewish cm's can have yamakas, grow beards, locks and have a star of David around the neck in plane sight. christian cm's can have crosses and rosary beads in plane sight. hindu cm's can have a bindi. << Sounds like a plan.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Christianity has NOTHING to do with the Disney Look. << Maybe not Christianity as a worldwide religion, but the United States WASP culture of the post-WWII era certainly helped define the Disney Look.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones leobloom, thanks for explaining it better than I could. The Archie Bunkers of the nation are in for a rough ride.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<"Tell me the difference, quick!" Religious tradition and protection under the Civil Rights Act of 1964.>> <Nope. Religion has NOTHING to do with it. Wrong answer. The fact that it is a religious garment has nothing to do with it.> I think you're wrong here, Ursula. The CRA of 1964 addresses dress codes specifically. Read post #50 again. "Dress codes may not infringe on religious beliefs..." There is an exception for safety (and Muslims and Orthodox Jew fireman have been prevented from having beards since the gas masks they sometimes have to wear wouldn't fit tightly enough, for example), but safety clearly doesn't enter into it here. Now, you may not like the law as written, but there it is. Should an offstage job be "good enough?" Did she accept the job knowing a scarf wasn't part of the costume and she is expressing her desire to wear it too late in the game? These are separate questions. I think 2oony's solution is the best. I don't know what the holdup is, but I think Disney should produce that scarf post-haste and put an end to all this.
Originally Posted By believe >>>>> guess what I mean to say is where is the custom made scarf? It sounds to me like management has made an effort to accommodate her, but the process seems to be moving far too slowly.<<<<< Yes, Disney suppose to be designing one for her. 2 months and counting. She couldn't wait, even though she's been without for over 2 years. However, you would think that Disney would put it on the fasttrack by now and give her a Disney approved one. It'll be interesting to see if she would even wear it. By the way, aren't DL employees called CAST MEMBERS. And HR is called CASTING. And the employees are part of a CAST, and therefore be dressed accordingly?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt That's what I thought. There must be some precedent set in the past that allows business to set dress code standards that gives Disney grounds to enforce. Surely this isn't the first time in Disney's long history that something like this has happened. I guess we'll have to wait and see how this turns out. The slowness of the delivery of the Disney approved scarf does strike me as odd.
Originally Posted By Ursula If they have to order it through SAP... it will take years. Sigh. Did someone call me Archie Bunker? Ha, that's rich. You couldn't be further from the truth if you tried. I'm not anti-religious nor am I anti-anything. Look, SHE'S bringing religion into it but it has nothing to do with religion. She wants to wear something she wants to wear that is outside of the dress code. Just as I wanted to wear something outside of the dress code. Do you get it now? This isn't a religious issue just because she says it is. It is very nice of Disney to take her concerns into consideration and are now designing a costume piece that would work for her. Great. But still, religion has nothing to do with the fact that she wore something outside of the dress code that she previously agreed to adhere to for her daily work schedule and pay.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Upon hire she obviously understood and willingly excepted the fact that Disney requires all employees to follow a certain dress/costume. Now all of the sudden she she has a problem? Follow the rules written for everyone or go pound the pavement!*** What about someone who has a religious conversion, would you insist they lose their jobs over it?
