Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Here's a sketch of the alternative. It looks fine to me, but I'm not Muslim so what do I know: <a href="http://ocresort.ocregister.com/2010/08/30/poll-what-should-muslim-disney-worker-do/54593/" target="_blank">http://ocresort.ocregister.com...o/54593/</a>
Originally Posted By spacejockey She knew that Disney has a dress code when she was hired. Then she waits two years after working to want to wear her religious garb. Disney accommodates to fit the "theme" since it is a "theme park" after all. She refuses any accommodation. This doesn't add up. She wants cash in my option. I hope Disney wins this one and give the job to someone who wants to work. There are plenty of unemployed people out there who need jobs.
Originally Posted By avatarmickey115 Wow, I don't know how Disney can get any closer to her original garment.
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL Looking at what is portrayed in that sketch shows me even more evidence that she isn't in this for her religious freedom. And, that the 'hat' photo released by the union was bunk. Originally, I thought the frill in the front was a bit too much and was possibly the reason for her refusal. But, after scanning through a gallery of these head dresses, this fall in complete accordance. And actually, some were very beautiful with gold, pearl and jewel adornment. I, like Hans, am not Muslim but I would bet that Disney checked with more than a few on what is appropriate for a Muslim woman to wear before going to design. Speculation, yes, but educated speculation.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones The alternative costume still isn't a hijab. It's still too much like a hat. "Wow, I don't know how Disney can get any closer to her original garment." By allowing her to wear her original garment, which is clean and unobtrusive.
Originally Posted By avatarmickey115 But that would allow other cast members to use it as an excuse for them to wear their religious hats and scarfs...
Originally Posted By avatarmickey115 Im not saying religious garments would "ruin" disneyland...Im saying that religious garments at ANY workplace is impolite and unprofessional. Pretty much every work place has the same rules. Mainly because of the law...
Originally Posted By frailejon >>Im saying that religious garments at ANY workplace is impolite and unprofessional.<< You go tell your local priest that, then. >> Pretty much every work place has the same rules. Mainly because of the law...<< Huh? I know of no law that bars religious wear at a job. Some things like long beards may keep you from a job for OSHA reasons, but if there's a law forbiding people against wearing religious garb at work, I guess I'll have to go tell the Sikh who owns and runs a local restaurant to stop wearing his turban.
Originally Posted By mickeymorris1234 First off, many other Muslim employees have accepted Disney's alternative head coverings with-out issue. This girl is out to get money and 15 min. of fame. How can you work for someone for two years with out complaint, sign a contract and everything saying you will have a costume and you will wear it, and then one day say, I am going to wear my covering and Disney can just shove it. I don't think so. She saw how much press New York was getting and then said, I could make money off of it. The timing is just to perfect for it to be anything else. Would you work at a work place for two years, know the dress code, know how strictly it is enforced and then be surprised when two years later after joining the Disney team when Disney says, I don't think so go home and change?
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Is it really that hard to believe this woman wants to wear a hijab out of deep religious devotion, that she believes it's her right to do so, and that Disney is in the wrong, so she's taken action to stand for her rights?>> It would be easier to believe it if she had not waited two years and until after she became a U.S. citizen. I find Disney's solution reasonable. It allows her to conform to the letter of her religion's law, does it not?
Originally Posted By socalkdg <<<<The alternative costume still isn't a hijab. It's still too much like a hat.>>>> Are you sure? When Muslims aren't even in agreement on what should be worn, what should be covered, who should wear it, etc., how can you be so positive? Some basic info from Wiki(yes I know, its not always the most reliable) The Arabic word literally means curtain or cover (noun). Most Islamic legal systems define this type of modest dressing as covering everything except the face and hands in public. According to Islamic scholarship, hijab is given the wider meaning of modesty, privacy, and morality;[3] the word for a headscarf or veil used in the Qur'an is khimār (خمار) and not hijab. Traditionally, Muslims have recognized many different forms of clothing as satisfying the demands of hijab. The latest seems a nice alternative that would seem to satisfy her requirements. You don't feel that way, thats fine. Disney seems to think otherwise. Should religious freedom allow you to do any job at any company while wearing what you want; or does it allow you to work at any company doing the job they want you to do while wearing what you want. The law may favor one side or the other, but we are getting to the point where companies can't run things the way they would like them ran. Lets say 1% of the people that meet this lady while she is wearing her hijab are turned off by it and never go back to DL. Thats lost business they won't get back.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt And that would be OK because people offended by a habib probably shouldn't be going to DL anyway.
Originally Posted By Malcon10t She was also offered 4 positions within the company, where she could wear the hijab and 1 was at a higher pay rate. She has turned all 4 down. She has turned down all of the clothing options. (There are other Muslim women on stage wearing alternative costumes.) She is a pawn for the union. I feel for her.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "Third world? Which countries do you mean? You couldn't mean USA, Japan, China or France?" Yeah because three of those could be VERY easily construed as third world. Rolling eyes I better add I WAS BEING SARCASTIC there, for the irony deprived. I was actually referring to Disneyland India that was floated recently. But ues, China will also suffice in a pinch.
