Originally Posted By dennis-in-ct When I look at the aerial photos, there seems to be a nice wooded area behind the Fantasyland expansion (behind a road and inside the train loop) that looks like it could be an area for a proper toon town or some other expansion. I would love to see MK keep the momentum going and develop that area too - perhaps with a train stop.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>> *sigh* Your lack of faith is appalling. Gonna smack you upside the head this weekend. Snow White Mine Ride of an as-yet-undetermined name.<<<< It was rhetoric, Lee! Still... Announcements? This decade would be nice.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>CuriouserConstance: I find your lack of faith disturbing. << Darth Vador? Obi-Won ... where did I hear that line before? Well .. WDW section LPers ... it's mid Jan .. a new year ... wassup with Fantasyland at this stage? So L.M. and the "Beauty/Beast" restaurant are a go. What about the rest of the project??? Is there any substantial post somewhere that describes this "Snow White Mine Train" ride? I'd like to learn more about it. Princess Meet and Greets Canned? The sections where Toontown are .. Previously slated for Tink and dual Dumbos. What's going on with that? One thing that I'm discerning here ... that I hope happens ... is that Disney does not build anything substantial between LM and the "Beast" restaurant. But leave a superficial barrier that can someday open up .. to expand Fantasyland even deeper ... all the way to the railroad tracks. The current work still resides within the same footprint .. that 20K took up. If someday they create a wide path to reach the WDWRR .. then that will be an "expansion" worth talking about. And the Mermaid ride itself seems to take up the exact same footprint as DCA's will. I get the feeling .. facades aside .. they'll be a perfect "copy" of each other.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<When I look at the aerial photos, there seems to be a nice wooded area behind the Fantasyland expansion (behind a road and inside the train loop) that looks like it could be an area for a proper toon town or some other expansion. I would love to see MK keep the momentum going and develop that area too - perhaps with a train stop.>> It'll never happen. The fireworks are shot off right there. The land would have to close early every single night, and then stay closed for the cleanup.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Is there any substantial post somewhere that describes this "Snow White Mine Train" ride? I'd like to learn more about it.>> Not much solid info is out there. But a friend who has worked on FLE describe it as, "Really cool." <<Princess Meet and Greets Canned?>> Yes. Except for the Belle one. <<The sections where Toontown are .. Previously slated for Tink and dual Dumbos.>> Toontown is done. Demolition in February I think.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Thanks for your postings. I guess we can look forward to reports as to what will reside in Fantasyland, aside from L.M. and the "Beauty/Beast" restaurant. >>It'll never happen. The fireworks are shot off right there. The land would have to close early every single night, and then stay closed for the cleanup.<< Unlike DL's dilemma in Anaheim ... they have the luxury of 'space'. With WDW's 28,000 acres of land ... they can relocate anything ... if they wanted to. At the rate execs for TDO work .. you're probably right. To do what they are doing now .. is probably considered a miracle by their standards. HOWEVER .... the indication is there: <a href="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_9zHsUff1sjE/TS5jrD5yPSI/AAAAAAAAAyc/zcYcjY5GGSg/s640/opening%20to%20more%20FL%20expansion.JPG" target="_blank">http://lh5.ggpht.com/_9zHsUff1...sion.JPG</a> Where there was a sub lagoon ... will be a "natural" path .. that could lead to future possibilities .. that could for the first time connect the WDWRR to Fantasyland. Won't be any time soon. Fireworks "shoot off" point can be moved a bit ... a little further back. The potential is there ... (whether or not they chose to do) .. at some point in the future.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance Dean, Check it... <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUDrs8IYevM&NR=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...evM&NR=1</a>
Originally Posted By DlandDug Yes, yes, yes, the Little Mermaid attraction is an exact copy of the one that has been built in DCA. Several months ago I was at an Open House at Garner Holt, and they were building the figures for both attractions, at the same time. When asked if there were any differences they said no. The cladding of the show buildings is obviously different. DCA's is also considerably below grade, so Florida's needs a bigger cover up. Hence, the mountain range!
Originally Posted By oc_dean * Just checking around a couple places ... seems rumors are afloat to remove Snow White's Scary Adventures. Perhaps this "Snow White rollercoaster/dark ride hybrid - Mine train" is the "replacement"? And if Cinderella and Aurora's Meet & Greets are on the chopping block ... is it possible this Snow White mine train would go there? * And if the current "Snow White" ride becomes dust .. then what will replace it? * I get the feeling Tink's area is on thin ice. If her entire concept goes out the door - then what? Seems some entirely new ideas are going to be announced in the not too distant future.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<* Just checking around a couple places ... seems rumors are afloat to remove Snow White's Scary Adventures. Perhaps this "Snow White rollercoaster/dark ride hybrid - Mine train" is the "replacement"? And if Cinderella and Aurora's Meet & Greets are on the chopping block ... is it possible this Snow White mine train would go there?>> Yes. The mine train coaster is slated to go exactly where it was originally proposed: on the space that was going to be the other princess meet and greets. And while I haven't heard 100% that SWSA is going to be replaced, I strongly believe that to be the case (and that's fine because they have neutered it almost as badly as say taking a certain word out of Huck Finn or reading the Constitution while skipping over some parts). <<* And if the current "Snow White" ride becomes dust .. then what will replace it?>> I've heard meet and greets at first, then possibly another dark ride. <<* I get the feeling Tink's area is on thin ice. If her entire concept goes out the door - then what?>> Nope. It fell thru the ice and drowned. Then what? who knows? <<Seems some entirely new ideas are going to be announced in the not too distant future.>> I wouldn't count on it. Disney itself doesn't seem to know exactly what it wants to do and, more importantly, spend. I really think they are playing things very close to the vest. There will likely be a new DVC announcement very shortly, however (seriously).
Originally Posted By oc_dean Well .. on a closer view with this: <a href="http://photoalbums.wdwmagic.com/data/500/fantasyland_plans2.jpg" target="_blank">http://photoalbums.wdwmagic.co...ans2.jpg</a> Seems restrooms to the Beauty/Beast restaurant .. and L.M. queue will be lined up against my theorized path to future expansion to the WDWRR. But I can see how that restroom, and queue could be flipped to the back side of each new development. Just food for thought. And the more I look at the THEN proposed spots for Aurora, Cinderella, and Pooh .. I see that's a pretty good chunk of land. The possibilities to do something significant are huge. Such as that Snow White mine train idea.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Just now reading your post 'Spirit'. By what you say .. with the "Tink" plans thrown out .. does that mean the slated removal of Toontown this Feb. has been postponed? Well .. it sounds like the only "for sure" things going on are: * Little Mermaid * Beast restaurant * Gaston's Tavern * castle wall ... and some huge patches of grass lawns to cover the areas slated as "yet to be determined."
Originally Posted By oc_dean This is a cool model shot - <a href="http://www.imagineeringdisney.com/storage/Imagineering-Disney-Blog_-fantasyland-model_LG.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.imagineeringdisney....l_LG.jpg</a> Just for the record - I take it .. these were the proposed Meet & Greets: 1. Belle 2. Aurora 3. Cinderella 4. Pooh 5. Tinkerbell 6. Ariel Am I missing any? And by the sound of it .... So Belle stays .. and Ariel too, who is forgivable, since she's part of a larger attraction .. and she's just complimenting it.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Just now reading your post 'Spirit'.>> What took ya so long? ;-) <<By what you say .. with the "Tink" plans thrown out .. does that mean the slated removal of Toontown this Feb. has been postponed?>> Not at all. I'm even making a pilgrimage to say my last goodbye's to Tentland, but I'm sure you'll be able to buy all sorts of 'fan' made DVDs soon! <<Well .. it sounds like the only "for sure" things going on are: * Little Mermaid * Beast restaurant * Gaston's Tavern * castle wall ... and some huge patches of grass lawns to cover the areas slated as "yet to be determined.">> That's pretty accurate.
Originally Posted By oc_dean WOW!! <a href="http://images2.wdwmagic.com/app_images_gallery/Attractions/Fullsize/Fantasyland_Full_12574.jpg?Expires=1294910112&Signature=Z9a9f88xWanA-YVdVn1zrBSM761Lo0ST8b96KMGYjkRH-Lke9Yvl53yiB2B2wH2N10khlIO1Sy37s1JpqC4UOiR2GiU55t5ERc-t1NXp1B8h329LQ80X3m8EihsM-LyFUJiG5pcGviPoy5FiIhp1Tx8ikj4RzibdU7efmj11KrA_&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIXD73LCXQPO2WCKQ" target="_blank">http://images2.wdwmagic.com/ap...QPO2WCKQ</a> This dated Jan 4, 2011 Seems my "theoretical" path for more expansion in the future may be in the final plan. So .. while it's full steam ahead on Beauty and the Beast features and L.M. .. everything else in this "phase 1" is at a stalemate.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Seems the boards over at wdwmagic.com are putting more credence to the Snow White Mine Train ride idea <a href="http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=421792" target="_blank">http://forums.wdwmagic.com/sho...t=421792</a> Just a bit down ... in red font.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance Dean look at this, lol <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRQyS_8sShw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...yS_8sShw</a>
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Seems the boards over at wdwmagic.com are putting more credence to the Snow White Mine Train ride idea>> No credence is needed. It's happening. I'm 100% confident in my info in that regard.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Oh that was great Constance! Loved it - thank you Well ... I just got through reading an entire 8 page topic on the mine train at wdwmagic.com <a href="http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=655199" target="_blank">http://forums.wdwmagic.com/sho...t=655199</a> One of the posters with reliable information is "Lee" .. probably the same Lee here (Leemac). Seems Snow Whites Scary Adventures won't be biting the bullet just yet. Seems it will hold on for a while. One person thinks it will be closer to DLP's Casey Jr. Circus Train .. then Lee comes in .. and says .."Similar, but still different." And that it would be 1/3 indoors .. 2/3rds outdoors. Many feel that should be flip-flopped .. and I agree. I guess it depends on what the overall ride length would be .. and how many "showroom" scenes there are .. and how long they, individually, run. There's all kinds of possibilities. It could start with a "showroom" scene .. then do the outside bit ... then end in an indoor scene. Or mix it up. Slow through a scene .. then speed up and go outside .. slow back down .. to another "show" scene .. etc. The more "show" scenes they can do ... I feel the better. Coasters running around outdoors are such a dime a dozen. But a richly themed one .. with a few well themed interiors ... will set it a part from the rest. I haven't been to WDW not since 1995, and I look at that Goofy Barnstormer rollercoaster. I look at Gadgets Go Coaster here in DL .... and I just hope this 2/3rds outdoor 1/3rd indoor .. turns out to be something not too short like those 2 mildly themed outdoor coasters. But something similar to the overall length like Casey Jr. at DL.
