Originally Posted By oc_dean I just wonder too ... if this is going to be borrowing anything from HKDL's ride system .. for it's Grizzly Gulch Mine Train ride. Disney does go through great lengths to save on R&D these days. What's used in one area .. will likely be used in another.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Well ... I just got through reading an entire 8 page topic on the mine train at wdwmagic.com <a href="http://forums.wdwmagic.com/sho...t=655199>>" target="_blank">http://forums.wdwmagic.com/sho...>></a> That site is a waste of your time. You have to wade thru so much fanboi drivel to get to anything of substance. <<One of the posters with reliable information is "Lee" .. probably the same Lee here (Leemac).>> Nope. I know that 'Lee' and he most definitely doesn't come from the UK! He is a poster here as well ... when he isn't swimming in fanboi drool over on MAGIC! ;-) <<Seems Snow Whites Scary Adventures won't be biting the bullet just yet. Seems it will hold on for a while. One person thinks it will be closer to DLP's Casey Jr. Circus Train .. then Lee comes in .. and says .."Similar, but still different." And that it would be 1/3 indoors .. 2/3rds outdoors.>> Lee knows what he is talking about (most of the time). <<Many feel that should be flip-flopped .. and I agree. I guess it depends on what the overall ride length would be .. and how many "showroom" scenes there are .. and how long they, individually, run. There's all kinds of possibilities. It could start with a "showroom" scene .. then do the outside bit ... then end in an indoor scene. Or mix it up. Slow through a scene .. then speed up and go outside .. slow back down .. to another "show" scene .. etc. The more "show" scenes they can do ... I feel the better. Coasters running around outdoors are such a dime a dozen. But a richly themed one .. with a few well themed interiors ... will set it a part from the rest. I haven't been to WDW not since 1995, and I look at that Goofy Barnstormer rollercoaster. I look at Gadgets Go Coaster here in DL .... and I just hope this 2/3rds outdoor 1/3rd indoor .. turns out to be something not too short like those 2 mildly themed outdoor coasters. But something similar to the overall length like Casey Jr. at DL.>> Not been to WDW since 1995?!??! Oh boy, are you going to be surprised at ... how ... um ... ah ... ugh ... yeah ... uh ... oh ... how MAGICal the place is now. Sure, that's it ...
Originally Posted By oc_dean The last time I went ... I was enjoying Horizons, Wonders of Life pavilion, the original Living Seas pavilion, original Journey Into Imagination, Tomorrowland pre Kiddie Cartoonland ... You can say - I'm afraid to go back. From you to TDLFAN to others .... I've been listening to the decline of WDW. Oh sure .. there's a few highlites. Speaking of highlites .. let me "highlite" that - FEW!
Originally Posted By oc_dean Oh .. left out one of my most favorite attractions of all time in addition to Horizons - World of Motion :-(
Originally Posted By oc_dean Anyway .. just having fun with this Snow White Mine Train concept ... just working out the dynamics in my head ... if the coaster takes off for a few mild spins ... then slows down to go through a "show room" scene ... what about the cars behind .. coming in for that show room scene. I anticipate plenty of brake zones. Or maybe the layout would be .. .you get your "indoor" scene over with at the beginning. Rest of the ride .. is 2/3rds coaster bit ... and done you are.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Not sure if Spaceship Earth has been improved since 1995 .. or ruined. << The Animatronics are better. A couple of scenes were added to depict the rise of computers. Everything else (descent, score, narration)...noticeably worse.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Not much solid info is out there. But a friend who has worked on FLE describe it as, "Really cool."<<< Your friend have anything on what's going into SWSA? ;-)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I've heard meet and greets at first, then possibly another dark ride.<<< Yeah, right. TDO ripping out a ride for a MG, then ripping out that for a new ride? I'll believe it when I see it. ...And I think we will be seeing the loss of a ride, which is something that WDW's MK can't afford, no matter what the ride is. So much for the idea of EXPANSION... This is just the usual mediocre replacement plan, instead of actually ADDING to the parks. Pathetic.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Disney does go through great lengths to save on R&D these days. What's used in one area .. will likely be used in another.<<< If anything, I could see that. The original plans had the ride system heading to Frontierland, but I haven't heard that in ages.
Originally Posted By Lee hisownself >>That site is a waste of your time. You have to wade thru so much fanboi drivel to get to anything of substance.<< All you gots to do is scroll down 'til you see my name pop up. That's when you know you've found the good stuff. >>He is a poster here as well ... when he isn't swimming in fanboi drool over on MAGIC! ;-)<< Fanboi drool? Eeewwwwww.... >>Lee knows what he is talking about (most of the time).<< Indeed. And I'm not the only one. It is kinda cool to see a months old thread over there being treated as breaking news over here. ;-)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer This thread is from 12/27... we just like to discuss... slowly. LOL.
Originally Posted By CaptainMichael SWSA is EE's "Adventurers Club"....his standards of fanboi rage are disappointing.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>SWSA is EE's "Adventurers Club"....his standards of fanboi rage are disappointing.<<< More like displeasure and annoyance that a so called expansion is not going to use new land and bring new attractions, but instead cannibalize existing attractions into wastes of space, and put the rides elsewhere. News: That's not how you do it. If they really want to expand, really want to fix the capacity issues that have plagued the Magic Kingdom since the early 90's, they'd wake up, leave existing rides alone, and BUILD new ones in new areas. Otherwise, it's just TDO and Disney being cheap about with what goes where and how they can be lazy and dumb this expansion down before it even starts. I don't know why ANYONE would defend this kind of thinking. Unless.. I dunno... you just approve of what Disney already does, and think that the FLE is going to come out wonderfully the second the publicly strike the MGs and give us something new in the form of the Mine Train. To me? Nope, that's not gonna help. If they want to make FLE a REAL expansion, worthy of Disney quality (or what USED to be Disney quality) build new things, leave the old alone, save for upkeep, and don't rip out a ride for a non-event "attraction". The fact that SWSA is a 1971 attraction just makes this whole thing worse. Every MK around the world keeps it's dark rides. They also plus them so they aren't a joke, like ours are. No, other park's dark rides actually look modern, use modern technology and are clean and are in working condition. Ours don't, so I guess that makes it easy for them to be dismissed, and just cleared out for something else. Honestly, another ride would be fine. But a MEET AND GREET? Yeah, right. And unless there's a RADICAL change in WDW Management would have the Meet and Greet ripped out so soon after it's construction for a new ride. I would doubt that heavily, in it's chances for happening. I would think that once the MGs move in, we can kiss that ride space goodbye. And what does that leave the expansion with? TLM and SWSA II? Might be more land, and thus more capacity, but on the ride count, you are only coming out one ride ahead. The roster of MK attractions needs to be longer... not just newer.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>I don't know why ANYONE would defend this kind of thinking. Unless.. I dunno... you just approve of what Disney already does, and think that the FLE is going to come out wonderfully the second the publicly strike the MGs and give us something new in the form of the Mine Train. <<<< Should read "THEY strike the MGs..."
Originally Posted By CaptainMichael EE, I was likely never going to ride SWSA ever again. I will ride the coaster if it's done well. IMO, the Coaster is a much better alternative to the M&G's that were gonna cannibalize that huge space in the middle of FLE. It's better than what we were getting...you know, the crap that's still official? I know it's not ideal, but it is an improvement. I think the real outrage here is that they are likely going to make BoG a dining plan/ character dining restaurant, and I'll never get to go.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> IMO, the Coaster is a much better alternative to the M&G's that were gonna cannibalize that huge space in the middle of FLE. It's better than what we were getting...you know, the crap that's still official? I know it's not ideal, but it is an improvement<<< It's an improvement, sure, but this is an EXPANSION. Anything less than that is exactly what Disney wants you to like, as it'll be cheaper for them. A REAL expansion would be adding things, but that's too expensive and complicated for WDC these days...
