Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<What else is there? Except for the D Ticket family coaster opening in 2014, the WDW Resort has absolutely nothing else going on worth commenting about, except for all the major animatronics and special effects that no longer work on signature E Ticket attractions in the parks. And a cloned Mermaid ride from DCA. It's not a very bright period in WDW history right now, so bathrooms and bus paint will have to do. ;-)>> So do you understand why buses are pretty far down the priority list? There are so many improvements needed that are so much more important! It is not about being "dumbed down"... it is knowing what is more important and that we aren't about to get everything.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***a diesel-belching city bus with the first new paint job in 20 years is now thought to be just fine for the WalMart crowd*** This.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***So do you understand why buses are pretty far down the priority list? There are so many improvements needed that are so much more important!*** And this. <---so confused!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip You tell me... would you rather have spiffy new buses or new "E" tickets... or even "D" tickets in the four parks? If the parks were better I would gladly put up with the existing buses.
Originally Posted By TP2000 There aren't any new E Tickets under construction at WDW, and none have even been mentioned to begin construction in 2013 for opening by 2016. (Forget Avatarland, that's pure quicksand.) There's one (1) single D Ticket under construction at WDW for 2014, and then.... nothing. So why wouldn't the bus system be a valid point of criticism in that current vacuum lacking any other theme park projects?
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "It boggles my mind that Americans are now so dumbed down, their standards are now so lowered and rounded off, that they are happy for a regular city bus that is hopefully on time and hopefully has working AC" On my trip every bus was on time, if not waiting for me. And the temperature was not a problem.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>>You tell me... would you rather have spiffy new buses or new "E" tickets... or even "D" tickets in the four parks? If the parks were better I would gladly put up with the existing buses.<<< Definitely with you on the D or # rides, but considering so many of you place so much importance on staying on property and using the crappy bus system within WDW, I'd figure them busses must as well be at the higher standards of disney show to make what is otherwise a ghetto trip thru a hotel complex something extra special. And I am also with the person who mentioned "safety" over "look". Being in the airline business, safety is first and foremost the highest priority which is why the plane food sucks. Same for Disney's transport system. Bus appearance sucks but at least it gets you from point A to B safely.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo '"And I am also with the person who mentioned 'safety' over 'look'." Such a controversial stance.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Bus appearance sucks but at least it gets you from point A to B safely.>> And seeing as how mass transit in the U.S. generally SUCKS, that is probably all we ask.
Originally Posted By dagobert Is Disney repainting current busses or are they brand new? I'm just wondering, why Disney isn't using bigger ones, like articulated busses. It was always so cramped in there. And they should get rid of the Diesel busses and use CNG ones instead, because they don't smell that bad.
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Originally Posted By Dis-Philip P.S.: The new buses look great! They look way classier than the current ones. It's clear to me and should be clear to the rest of the world that TDLFAN will NEVER EVER like ANYTHING WDW does anymore, no matter how good or bad it may be. It's a shame.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <I'm surprised those members have yet to be banned, considering their overly-negative, elitist, cry-baby attitudes> Uh....yeah. Right. (Insert eye roll emoticon here)
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Is Disney repainting current busses or are they brand new? I'm just wondering, why Disney isn't using bigger ones, like articulated busses.<< For the time being, the new paint scheme appears to only be for new buses, but I'm sure they'll roll it out fo rthe entire fleet in the coming months. As for the articulated buses, I would guess that they're holding off for the moment because they don't have the infrastructure to support them. The larger buses need bigger parking and loading spaces, larger turning radii, in addition to a bigger maintenance facility backstage. Disney recently submitted plans for an expansion of the Magic Kingdom bus depot, and that appeared to include spaces for articulated buses. My guess is that they will introduce articulated buses for some of the high-traffic routes, but keep the 40' ones for the majority of them. It's really only right at park closing that it's ever an issue (and occasionally in the mornings), since the current buses seldom have to turn people away. Running smaller buses means they'll run with more frequency, making waits shorter, which I would prefer.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>My guess is that they will introduce articulated buses for some of the high-traffic routes, but keep the 40' ones for the majority of them. It's really only right at park closing that it's ever an issue (and occasionally in the mornings), since the current buses seldom have to turn people away. Running smaller buses means they'll run with more frequency, making waits shorter, which I would prefer.<<< I would guess that they all will be switched to fit the Articulated buses. The way most bus systems work is that they switch routes about every run to prevent never ending delays on one route if something happens (breakdown, accident) My experience with AB's is that they do need more room to load and unload because the front and rear door has to line up with level ground close to the curb to prevent accidents happening to people stepping on or off. The rest is questionable. Having driven them I think that they actually require less turning radius then a 40 foot bus. At best, considering the cost, they will only replace existing buses when their life is used up. We are talking quite a few years to get a sizable fleet. In the meantime they can fix the bus stops and a 40 footer can use them as well as an articulated.
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Originally Posted By dagobert >>>As for the articulated buses, I would guess that they're holding off for the moment because they don't have the infrastructure to support them. The larger buses need bigger parking and loading spaces, larger turning radii, in addition to a bigger maintenance facility backstage. Disney recently submitted plans for an expansion of the Magic Kingdom bus depot, and that appeared to include spaces for articulated buses.<<< I've never thought about the infrastructure. The articualted busses are so common over here that I took the infrastructure for granted.
Originally Posted By ImTempest TDLFAN, did you forget your medication today? You seem a bit more overly aggressive in your verbal attacks than usual.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Why bother posting here if you are are going to send the wrong message to Disney management and making them believe that we are Ok with minimal standards on show?< I've been laying low with regards to TDLFAN, because we have something of a history. But I just can't let this go. This isn't "Laughing Place - where everyone must agree with TDLFAN". It's Laughing Place - where everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and we discuss them back and forth. I certainly don't agree with TDLFAN most times, but I strongly defend his right to pitch his ideas, just as I strongly defend those who disagree with him. To say that someone shouldn't post his opinions simply because they don't agree with TDLFAN is just silly. And on the topic of the thread, I think the new busses are an improvement over the old design. Would I like monorails and peoplemovers going to every location? Of course. But till that happens the busses work pretty well. And I'll also say that if Disney had put a bunch of money into the theming of these new busses, a lot of folks around here would be complaining that Disney is putting their money in the wrong place and should be creating new attractions, not wasting money on something so mundane as bus design. Can't win.
