Originally Posted By tonyanton I wouldn't be shocked if some point down the line (let's say 10 or 20 years) the figures from the movie do disappear. I think there would be more of a chance of the entire attraction disappearing if the entire attraction and every AA in it were changed to reflect the movie, IMO.
Originally Posted By DismayingObservation The moment Disneyland becomes a sort of museum and ceases to be a growing, jumping, jiving, dynamic place is the moment I turn in my AP. I can relate with those who are reluctant to see the changes take place. After all, it's been a part of our lives, a touchstone of happy memories. I think it's time we made some new memories. The attraction inspired a surprisingly good movie. Time for the movie to give something back. I simply can't wait to see the changes.
Originally Posted By oc_dean The thing though .. these changes come from a CONTEMPORARY film piece that will be forgotten in about 10-15 years. In society ... it seems the "contemporary" things that come along - start to come off trite after so long. Things that gain "classic" status .. like a ride that has done well for 40 years .. are a hard to act to follow .. and not mess up - in the LONG haul! But I'll tell ya .... I look forward to some "freshening" .. and if the chasing scene is restored ... then I'll gladly tolerate a few modern day contemporary additions, in order to get that back! I'm not happy about those who ruined it for everyone else, back in the 90s .. who put WDI in the position to make those political-correct changes in the first place.
Originally Posted By DismayingObservation Do tell...? Are they really restoring the chase scene? THAT would be the be-all-end-all of changes if they did nothing else whatsoever. The scene went from funny to idiotic between the dialogue and those ridiculous, cartoonish pigs around the Pooped Pirate. I've griped about those before. HATE 'em. They look like they're straight out of Fantasyland.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I'm only speaking in a "wishful thinking" sort of way. The ride is going to be down a long time. March 6 - June 24. Over 3 months! In that time .. "lots" of things could be done.
Originally Posted By DismayingObservation Let's not forget the turkey leg in Pooped's hand, the rolling pins, the plates of food and the fish head that used to pop out of the barrel in place of the girl. Yuck.
Originally Posted By DismayingObservation Oops. Looks like we were posting at the same time. Just wishful thinking, eh? Man, I can't agree with you more.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster These changes are being made between films one and two of a a film trilogy. These characters will endure as well as Star Wars characters and still have relevance in a decade at least. That said, I would hope the attraction would receive significant updates within a decade. The pirate theme is timeless and can be adjusted and updated for decades to come.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "The thing though .. these changes come from a CONTEMPORARY film piece that will be forgotten in about 10-15 years." How is the Pirates movie contemporary? Who's to say that it won't last for generations. Just look at most of the other films in the Disney library. Snow White certainly hasn't diminished with age. 20K Leagues Under the Sea, The Parent Trap, Mary Poppins...all of these could have been considered "contemporary" if you're going to say that about Pirates. I have no doubt that the films will last for many years and not cause the attraction to fall out of favor so quickly.
Originally Posted By englishboy Quote: "These changes are being made between films one and two of a a film trilogy. These characters will endure as well as Star Wars characters and still have relevance in a decade at least." That is, if the next two films are any good. If the films turn out to be Matrix II and Matrix III, then they'll be forgotten a month after they leave the theater.
Originally Posted By Zwitek Quote:"That is, if the next two films are any good. If the films turn out to be Matrix II and Matrix III, then they'll be forgotten a month after they leave the theater." They can't be as bad as Matrix II and III. Right? RIGHT?!
Originally Posted By mickey4239 No way. Is everyone forgetting that they made the movie based on the ride ? The reason the movie worked so well is because we all love the ride ! Therefore, this is not just a 'contemporary' movie that will be forgotten. You will no sooner forget the movies than forget riding POTC as a child, adult, or whenever your first ride occured. We are creatures of habit, so we don't like places that hold cherished memories to be messed with, but I don't think the changes being made to the ride to reflect the movie will do anything to disrupt that.
Originally Posted By Roger55 ^^ Got to disagree. The movie was popular because the story was good and the movie was well made. I would bet that MOST of the people who went to see the movie have never been on POTC at any of the theme parks. Let's not forget that for a lot of people, going to DLR, WDW, TDR or DLRP is a very infrequent or non-exeistant event.
Originally Posted By mickey4239 I would be interested to see what the actual statistics would be on that one. Most people that live on the west coast have been to DL at least once. That is not to say that seven out of ten people have been, but I would think that it would be close to five out of ten. In Florida, a little less, but still a lot of folks have been. Almost everyone who has been to either of these two parks has been on POTC. As for the rest of the country, maybe not as many people have had the opportunity to visit a Disney park. I have lived in Orlando and grew up in CA, I have worked in both parks and spent a lot of time talking to a lot of people. I think I am making an educated guess here, but I could be wrong. Not everyone has to have a lengthy family vacation to a Disney Resort to have had the chance to visit once and ride POTC, I think the numbers would be a little higher than you think. The ones who haven't visited have probably known someone who has and that is the part about the story working so well. All I was saying was that for the majority of people who have visited the park and had the chance to ride POTC, a number in the millions at least, the movie works in conjunction with the wonderful memories of that experience.
Originally Posted By Roger55 According to the 2000 California Census... there were at that time 33.8 million people in the state. If your estimate is correct that 7 out of 10 (70%) people have been to Disneyland some time in their life time, that would mean approximately 23 million people just from California. That is an incredibly high number just from one state. I don't know if there is a source of information that would estimate the percentage of the entire US population that has been to a Disney park, but my guess is that it would be somewhere closer to 10%. If someone else has any insight into this, I would be interested in knowing. Not just for this topic.
Originally Posted By mickey4239 I would be interested in knowing as well, not just for this topic either. I am not trying to argue with you, but I RESPECTFULLY disagree. Do we know how many people have passed through the gates of DL ? Would it not be logical to say that many of them are from the west coast ? As I said before, I am not talking about family vacations, I am talking about having made one trip. People who went to school in southern CA in the last couple of generations have been on field trips even. Do you really think that DL guests are just some elite group of people who spend thousands on family vacations? One thing I know from my experience as a CM interacting with guests is that people from all walks of life from all over the world are DL guests, and we aren't even talking about the other parks. I am going to see what I can find out.
Originally Posted By dltraveler >> The reason the movie worked so well is because we all love the ride ! I don't agree with this. Like Roger55, I think it's because it was good film in its own right, having a decent plot, etc. In contrast, look at the Haunted Mansion movie with Eddie Murphy. Same concept, a ride we all love turned into a film, but the plot/film was weak and the film didn't do anywhere near as well. While there is an element of truth in saying people see a film because of the ride association, that only holds so far. The success of the film ultimately depends on how good a movie it is, not on its nostalgia factor.
Originally Posted By mickey4239 Okay. Here is what I know. The number of guests that have visited DL is 450 million. The population of California last year was roughly 36 million. If 7 out of 10 CA residents have visited DL at some point in their lives that would mean 70% of 36 million, which is 25 million. 25 million is only 5.5% of the guests that have visited DL. So, what you are saying is that it is not realistic to think that there have not been enough CA residents to visit DL since 1955 to make up 5.5% ?!? That is ludicrous ! I could make an even better case for Florida. I wish there were a more exact way to illustrate the point I was originally trying to make, which was : MOST PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM THE WEST COAST OR FLORIDA, HAVE RIDDEN POTC AND THE MOVIE BRINGS BACK FOND MEMORIES OF THE RIDE !!!!!
Originally Posted By Roger55 The flaw in your figures is that your estimate of 450 million includes repeat visitors. I myself have contributed in the hundreds to that figure. The statement you boldly SHOUT is exactly where I think you are wrong. There are a lot of people on the west coast who have not even left the town they live in. A lot of people can not afford to make the trip to DL and pay $59 or whatever the price was at the time. Your argument might work for LA, Orange and maybe Vetura and Riverside counties. But beyond that I can not see your bold statement of MOST PEOPLE have been on POTC to hold up. I am not trying to argue with you, and I can appreciate your love and enthusiasm for DL, POTC and POTC movie, but you can not project your lifestyle and life experiences, and the lifestyle and experiences of those you know to represent those of the population as a whole. This is the point I think you are not getting. Not everyone wants to, can afford to, find a way to visit Disneyland. At least not at the numbers you are talking about.
Originally Posted By mickey4239 Okay, I am not wasting any time arguing with you, apparently you would refuse to admit that you are wrong, even if the numbers were right there in your face. Let me ask you, have you ever been a Cast Member ? Has it ever been part of your job to interact with guests, talk to them or even just listen to them tell you about where they are from and how many times they have been to DL ? I have. Hundreds, no, thousands of times I have heard people tell me where they are from, share stories with me about their trips or experiences with Disney parks. I know that all kinds of people from every city in California come, and that is just from the small amount of time I spent as a CM. That is, small in comparison to 50 years of Californians travelling to DL. Yes, there are people in CA that have never left their small town. Not nearly as many people as have made the trip though, SORRY ! I have also lived in northern CA for several years and I know a lot of people. I only know a couple of folks that have never been to DL, so , now tell me, isn't that just a tad bit farther than Orange County, LA, Ventura, and Riverside ? Like 500 miles farther ? Well, it seems to me that through my experiences I have found what I said to be true. Tell me, since you are so qualified to call me wrong, where does your experience in this matter lie ?
