Originally Posted By oc_dean In fairness to Bellella .... You get to know certain posters over the period of time here on LP. And you know what irritates them, and what doesn't. Sometimes when we joke .. there's a subliminal thing going on there. For instance ... we all use to joke about DCA ..when we all said the park sucked. Right? So, I would joke. But I was only doing it superficially .. when there was a level of seriousness. Sometimes we refer to it as black comedy. There's real, truthful aspect of it .. but we try to make light of it. And not to get on your case Dan, everything you made a joke about in that one post ... has also been an argument you've pitched on all this "Small World/Disney Characters" discussion at one point or another. But to keep it friendly around here ... Since you did say you were "joking" .. I'll just take it as that.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>but we try to make light of it.<< So does Sylvania, the new sponsor of the iconic "it's a small world" attraction at Disneyland.
Originally Posted By Bellella I admit, there are some things I do take very seriously. One of them is the preservation of classic D-land attractions in their original form and content. They've already changed two out of the four attractions which in my opinion should never have been tampered with. I hope the other two remain just as they are. Come on, guys. In a park where everything changes over the years, can't we at least have some consistency?
Originally Posted By danyoung >And not to get on your case Dan, everything you made a joke about in that one post ... has also been an argument you've pitched on all this "Small World/Disney Characters" discussion at one point or another.< Well, it was a total tongue in cheek thing, reflecting the type of rabid posts that many have made over the years about the slightest change in one of their favorite attractions. Of course I didn't mean any of it. Bellella, as I've said, I have to respect your feelings about classic attractions. But it's obvious that Disney doesn't mind making tweaks. Now, if they were going to replace the ballroom scene in the HM with a disco, then I'd have a hard time with it. But when they make minor changes in an effort to plus the attraction, I'm usually all for it.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo It all boils down to taste for me. If we look at the changes of the HM in DL and WDW, they are excellent, as on the Jungle Cruise. Jack Sparrow (even though I like the films), Pirates Lair on TSI, and toons in IASW are not a good fit. Creatively lazy and a consumerism cash in. And they more they do it, the less I want to spend my time and money with Disney. Then they go and do something else that hooks me right in.
Originally Posted By crazycroc "they are going to replace the ballroom scene in the HM with a disco"-danyoung Were you hiding in the bushes at my meeting with Lassetter? As the dancers twirl, the lighted floor tiles sparkle and shine.
Originally Posted By danyoung crazycroc, your credibility continues to soar! And dave, I'm with you on Pirates' Lair - it had no business on TSI. But I (and I think most people) like Cap'n Jack in Pirates. Sure, it changes the focus of the ride a bit. But it still keeps the original feel of the attraction, while giving people something to look forward to after seeing the thing dozens or hundreds of times since the late 60's. The change in Pirates that I didn't like was the PC change of the women chasing the pirates. A very stupid and unnecessary change, IMO.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo My assertion is I like change in the parks, when they are for creative rather than purely synergistic reasons.
Originally Posted By danyoung I think that for me, I don't really have any set rules on change - what makes a good change and what I would object to. I was nervous about the Jack Sparrow changes, but delighted to find that they had kept the original spirit of the attraction. I was similarly concerned with the Tarzan overlay of the treehouse, but happy to find that it worked well, at least for me (and for most people as I recall). Throughout the whole nasty buildup to the small world changes, I kept saying the same thing - wait to see it and then decide. Some people did that, and some didn't. I'm fully convinced that some people's preconceptions so colored their ride experience that there was simply no way they could ever enjoy the additions. And then some, like 2oony, are honest enough to cry mea culpa, and then go on to truly enjoy a revitalized classic.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Oh, Kar2oonman is a man of honour, just like I will call em as I see them e.g. I thought I would hate the Stitch attraction in WDW, but I was pleasantly surprised (maybe less accepting if this went into Future World in Epcot), and I thought I would hate Pooh replacing Country Bears, and although I miss the Bear Band, I think Pooh serves it's purpose (and in WDW it is better than Mr Toad IMHO). But sometimes I cannot divorce myself from intentions and ethos. I try not to buy cheap clothes for fear of near slave labour production (I buy fair trade when I can). The characters do not sit well at all with me in this one. Whereas I was excited to see what they would do with the America room, especially as it is my fav part in Paris. I just get annoyed when people think that because some of us are anti characters, we are anti change. Because I am not.
Originally Posted By danyoung >I just get annoyed when people think that because some of us are anti characters, we are anti change. Because I am not.< Fair enough.
