Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Toddlers love cabanas. No, wait. It's bananas they love, not cabanas. And puzghetti. Bananas and puzghetti, and a toddler is in hog heaven.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Disneyland didn't have baby comfort stations for 50 years either but those ADD to the guest experience<< Talk about a poo playground...
Originally Posted By Tiggirl Does WDW's Pooh Playground have to shut down in the summer afternoon? The playground by Goofy's House in Toontown does. I guess the surfaces they used get too hot in the midday sun. ~Beth
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I think is is puhssssssketti at our house! I didn't want to like Pooh Playground...if I can be honest about it. 2oony was critical of it long before I went there with the kids and I really wanted to come back and say..yeah, that was a waste. But, it did exactly what I believe the intent was. My then 18-month old loved running around in there while the 5 year old was off doing something. I understood 2oony's remarks as I sat there and they certainly could have done more. But, to what end? If they only folks who don't like it are folks without kids or Disney purists then does it justify spending $5 or $10 million as opposed to $1 million? Some of the "happiest" pictures of my 18 month old taken that day were taken while she was running around somewhat unsupervised (I was there but didn't have to hover over her like I certainly would at TSI) in Pooh's Playground. Lots of folks could care less about the characters in the parks in any shape or form...but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be there.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>2oony was critical of it long before I went there with the kids and I really wanted to come back and say..yeah, that was a waste. << T'weren't me -- I've never seen it!
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Oops, sorry. I've got you confused. Well, someone was telling me about the grave injustice that was the Pooh Playground but it did not make me have a heart attack as apparently it should have.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 Personally, my only problem with the playground was that they replaced 20K with it. They left the lagoon to rot for years, and when they finally do something with that area, all they do is fill in the lagoon and build a playground. Plus, this was all around the time that they basically stopped adding new attractions to the MK. Sure, they would still replace old attractions with new ones - like Buzz and Monsters, but the actual additions were things like the Magic Carpets.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I think that is the take many critics have on it but that isn't the reality. They haven't replaced 20K with anything yet. At best the area Pooh's Playground now occupies was the loading station. I don't think the thought process was: "Ok, we have this aging attraction we need to replace. Let's rip it out and put in a playground." I think they closed the attraction and have not come up with any replacement. In the meantime, there was space available to do something small this is that. Something small but of benefit to many, many guests. I think the very fact that additions (not replacements) are nearly impossible now in the MK due to the land available means whatever goes on the site of 20K better be darn good. Imagine the scrutiny it gets!
Originally Posted By plpeters70 "At best the area Pooh's Playground now occupies was the loading station." Queue space then - either way, the park lost an e-ticket and gained a playground. Not exactly a great trade. And as for them not having a replacement yet -- come on, when have you ever known WDI not to have an idea for a new attraction. I'd wager there were dozens of great attraction ideas designed for that space. This was almost definitely a money issue - not a lack of great ideas.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper This is just a guess on my part but I would bet that they are considering a major update to Mickey's Starland (or whatever it is called these days). That area is pretty dated and could stand a makeover and even an expansion. It stands to reason that the site in question would make a good area for expansion.
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 ****Sometimes I think my disappointment should be directed at the original sin which was the Disney family selling out!!! Is that how this all began? Is that the root of our problem. It hurts to discover the Imagineers do not care about online opinions. The in park guest surveys needs a survey to see how effective that type of survey really is.**** Online communities foster the die-hard fan base and make things sound much worse than they really are. Park surveys come from people who are there, right then. Online communities are mainly those people who visit the park so often, they begin to notice the tiny things that go wrong. Like the article says, everybody focuses too much on the negative, and even though Disney is supposed to have no negative (lolz, double neg) it was still soft opening, remember? ****There's a whole park like that. It's called DisneySea.**** Lolz, not to sound too racist, but its run by Asians, which means it has to be perfect or they lose their job to one of the other Billions of people over there who can do the job equally well.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^Its run by Japanese, of which there are only about 100 million and most are very gainfully employed.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Jim - you are assuming that said imagineer exists. I'd wager he is a figment of an overactive imagination that wants to spark some controversy his way. Maybe be felt aggrieved not to have either the Marty Sklar or Dave Smith letters about iasw. << >> My take exactly. Take a look at the article - at both the cm's comments and the Imagineer's letter. Both of them use classic Jim Hill style - partial sentence structure, starting sentences with "which", etc. It's my opinion that both comments were written by Mr. Hill himself. It's why I don't read his site at all any more, and completely discount any rumors coming out of there as very very suspect. << >> I always suspected... << I have some questions about this article also.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Online communities are mainly those people who visit the park so often, they begin to notice the tiny things that go wrong.< Oh wow oh wow OH WOW!!! If LP had sigs, I'd adopt this as mine. Nicely worded, mickeyboy!
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 And as for them not having a replacement yet -- come on, when have you ever known WDI not to have an idea for a new attraction. I'd wager there were dozens of great attraction ideas designed for that space. This was almost definitely a money issue - not a lack of great ideas.**** Fire Mountain and Villain Mountain? Both never came to fruition due to the moeny issue after the "failure" of DLP during its early years. Eisner lost some of his prestige and was wiser with money afterwards. Fire Mountain=Kick butt coaster that changes styles halfway through and was to be in adventureland. Villain Mountain=New land in place of 20K that would be a staging point for MNSSHP. It was a log flume. I think there was an article on Jim hill about it.
Originally Posted By Mr X >>>****There's a whole park like that. It's called DisneySea.**** Lolz, not to sound too racist, but its run by Asians, which means it has to be perfect or they lose their job to one of the other Billions of people over there who can do the job equally well.<<< I wasn't talking about how it was run, I'm talking about how well it was built. And here's a clue. It wasn't built by the Japanese.
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 "Oh wow oh wow OH WOW!!! If LP had sigs, I'd adopt this as mine. Nicely worded, mickeyboy!" Thank you very much! Its the truth though, isnt it?
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 "And here's a clue. It wasn't built by the Japanese. " Really? Chinese? Americanese? Who? Youve managed to pique my curiosity.
Originally Posted By danyoung >I think there was an article on Jim hill about it.< Careful there, mickeyboy - you lost a bit of credibility by quoting Jim Hill!
Originally Posted By Mr X ***"And here's a clue. It wasn't built by the Japanese. " Really? Chinese? Americanese? Who? Youve managed to pique my curiosity.*** It was built by WDI, same as the rest of the Tokyo resort (save Ikspiari?), and all the other foreign parks. In fact, some of the very same people worked on DisneySea at the same time as they were working on California Adventure.
