Originally Posted By dshyates Ok, I should say I think the smarter way to release it would have been to leak it to a fan site. I think they wouldn't have been slammed for it's basic nature, AND the "leaked"/ not supposed to have it aspect would have generated a more positive buzz. Like if Universal had released the blueprints for Potter would be one thing. A fan posts the blue prints for potter a whole different ball game.
Originally Posted By dshyates "I shouldn't have said "most people" in post #35. But we have seen a couple who jumped to comparisons with the level of detail in WWoHP." Or more specifically, the highly detailed Potter fly thru.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the release of this undetailed preview of Cars Land was a deliberate "sneak peek" and that over the next 12 months Disney will begin to uncover more of the details and backstory to each of the shops, restaurants, and attractions in the new land. Wouldn't be surprised at all if a more detailed fly through is posted on the Disney Parks Blog eventually.> I agree. It seems deliberate in the sense of "Check this out. Isn't this cool? And it's just the most basic overview with hardly any details! Just wait till the more detailed work comes out. Oooooh, that'll be sooooo cool. You just can't wait for that, can ya'? CAN ya'??!"
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt >>You guys think that people will see this and think "This is it???"<< "I shouldn't have said "most people" in post #35. But we have seen a couple who jumped to comparisons with the level of detail in WWoHP." Some people enjoy being purposely obtuse. From everything we've seen so far it's obvious that the scale, storytelling, and thematic elements will be every bit as strong as HP.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Some people enjoy being purposely obtuse. From everything we've seen so far it's obvious that the scale, storytelling, and thematic elements will be every bit as strong as HP." I'll give you scale and storytelling. But thematic detail is still not a given. I know that you haven't been to Potter, so I'll cut you a break, but the level of detail is really over the top. Just the rockwork on Hogwarts is mind boggling. Warner Bros. made them tear out sections of the rockwork repeatedly to get it just right and it is amazing. It makes the rockwork on Everest a total embarrassment. Every surface in Potter is themed. No stucco to be found anywhere. Every inch is themed. Now, carsland may be different, but I haven't seen Disney go to that level in the US since EPCOT Center hit the scene.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Ok, I should say I think the smarter way to release it would have been to leak it to a fan site." Why? Besides, Disney Park Blog is technically a fan site. One of the biggest blunders Disney made with creating buzz for DCA back in 2000-2001 was that it failed to control the message. Allowing the Internet fan community to completely control all the dialogue, which set the negative tone for how the public viewed the place, was a huge misstep. The manner in which the DCA expansion project has been handled from a PR standpoint has been pretty much flawless.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "But thematic detail is still not a given. I know that you haven't been to Potter, so I'll cut you a break, but the level of detail is really over the top. Just the rockwork on Hogwarts is mind boggling." Have you not seen the online images of the completed portions of Cadillac Range? It looks incredible.
Originally Posted By dshyates Yes I have, but from the distance it is hard to judge the quality of the rockwork. It does look impressive from a distance. But so does everest. Up close not so much. The rock work in potter you have to rap you knuckles against it to tell it's not real rock.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Fair enough. I wasn't really trying to make this a contest between Cars Land and HP though. Still, I do think on certain levels they are similar.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>One of the biggest blunders Disney made with creating buzz for DCA back in 2000-2001 was that it failed to control the message. Allowing the Internet fan community to completely control all the dialogue, which set the negative tone for how the public viewed the place, was a huge misstep.<< Totally agree. By inviting the public into the process, with little video sneak peeks, sketches, Blue Sky Cellar and more, it helps whet the appetite for Carsland, helps build anticipation. And for what it's worth, this flythrough gave me a better sense of what will be where in Carsland. I can imagine people wanting to have their photo taken in front of the Tower o' Tires. It's pretty clearly not what the ultimate finished product will look like in terms of details, but is helpful at starting to flesh out the feel of the place. The more of this kind of thing, I think, the better. Reminds me of Walt showing the model of Pirates and explaining some of what we'd eventually see on the ride. Good stuff.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>...thematic detail is still not a given. I know that you haven't been to Potter, so I'll cut you a break...<< But I have been to both. The work in WWoHP is pretty flawless, although they fell down a bit around the edges. The rock work on Hogwarts should have been continued out to cover the whole show building-- or at least where it is visible inside WWoHP. The level of detail on what has been completed at Carsland is easily comparable. I've driven through the southwest, and the matching color and texture in the Cadillac Range is just amazing. Some of the buildings are starting to take shape, as well, and they are looking just like the structures sen in the film. What is open for debate is which one people like best. Hogsmeade and Radiator Springs are very different places. Forbidden Journey and Radiator Springs Racers will be very different experiences. But comparisons will be inevitable. Personally, I expect that I will find them to be comparable in scale and execution, based on what I have seen.
Originally Posted By dshyates They are. And it is great to see Disney work on that scale again. And I am hoping it is to the level of potter as I know Disney is fully capable of. So forgive my skepticism, but Disney for the last decade has REFUSED to take it there. And if they do, would be very encouraging for the future. I do know that the fit and finish of the Mermaid facade and load area is fantastic. Which is a great sign.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "What is open for debate is which one people like best." Without even visiting HP I can say that I'll probably like them both.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Without even visiting HP I can say that I'll probably like them both. << No, no! You must choose!!!
Originally Posted By dshyates I will admit that aside from being a theme park geek I am also a big Potter fan. Read all the books, own all the movies, etc. So The WWOHP is tailor made for me. But that really isn't what make the place so special. I never knew I was into rock work, but after watching Uni. rip out the rockwork twice before being happy with it I had to examine closely what they did and WOW it is amazing. And stuff like not only did they texture the walkways with cobblestone, the cobblestones have a fake foundry mark. I am not expecting that kind of detailing in Carsland given the nature of the animated textures. What I am interested in is RSR and how it takes the test track tech to the next level of real storytelling. What I can say about Carsland and the recent additions and what Disney really wants to hear is that I WILL be bringing my kids Late summer 2012 to see it. That says a lot since I don't make a lot of money and live 10 miles from WDW. I haven't been to DLR since 2002 anddeclared I was not going back until they fix the place and I am keeping my promise.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Interesting. I'm not a HP fan, I've never been to USF or IOA, and I'm very curious about WWOHP. I'll probably never see it though because I really have about 0 interest in vacationing in Central Florida. I keep hoping that my job will send me there for work for a couple of days so that I can add some time for Disney and HP on someone else's dime.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >> I keep hoping that my job will send me there for work for a couple of days so that I can add some time for Disney and HP on someone else's dime.<< Why, that's how I get down there...!
Originally Posted By dshyates And I am not really trying to make this a Disney verses Uni thing because I can walk you over to the SF section of USF and show you what was beautiful brick street when the parked opened that has had YEARS of sloppy asphalt repairs. It looks awful. I really believe Potter is the way it is because JKR and Warner Bros. are holding Universal's feet to the fire.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance ">> I keep hoping that my job will send me there for work for a couple of days so that I can add some time for Disney and HP on someone else's dime.<< Why, that's how I get down there...!" I will guess your job, Doug.
Originally Posted By dshyates WOW, check out this pic from Blue Sky Celler showing the construction. Ok, I have to say that the detailing is looking impressive. And on such a scale. I'll say it again, WOW. And Hans I am seeing the Potter comparison more. <a href="http://www.disneygeek.com/updates/disneyland_image.php?update_dir=2011_07_02&page_id=72&num_image=1" target="_blank">http://www.disneygeek.com/upda..._image=1</a> The whole huge DLR update is here: <a href="http://www.disneygeek.com/updates/disneyland_update.php?page_id=1&update_dir=2011_07_02" target="_blank">http://www.disneygeek.com/upda...11_07_02</a>
