Originally Posted By davewasbaloo C'mon Dave, you know it is about the ethos. I explained my concerns. People in this thread are bashing a show they already do not like. To me Disney parks were about bringing experiences from the real world to life in a family friendly manner. You were fine bashing the Pooh Playground, and yet it was better than nothing. And yet, here is something far more declining IMHO. Just because you couldn't go to WDW for a while also does not make you so high and mightly to give Disney a pass either.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Your responses lately have been as hyperbolic in another direction. You used to be a lot more balanced....
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo once upon a time, toons were relagated to Fantasyland, and that is where they belong. My kids adore LMA, and they did before a toon was put in a real world stunt show. Disney is dumbing it down to meet the rest of the IQ of our country, rather than aspiring to get people to learn.
Originally Posted By MPierce I don't blame Disney for advertising a new movie release in this show. It's smart business sense. Nothing wrong with that at all. I bet the kids, and possibly a few adults love it.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo .....excuse me while I step away to: a) vomit in the toilet b) scream into my pillow c) take a time out and realise it is just a theme park. I need to go and ponder my existance while I grow increasingly frustrated that Disney is not longer what it was and the fans are ok with it, and I have real problems letting this go, despite having absolutely no control over it and do not want to drive myself even more crazy. Surely this is displacement for coming to terms with other things changing and waiting for mom's cancer results, and a diversion from what I should really be doing which is writing a report to close some much needed social care services and want to hide in my happy place, but it no longer exists thanks to Iger, Rasulo and the fan community. And I also owe VBDAD an apology for getting mad at him, despite the fact he is held in such high esteem by me and I respect him greatly. AAaarrrrrgggghhhhh. Back to the report and pain killers before my 380 mile commute and 1 mile walk on crutches tomorrow.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Your responses lately have been as hyperbolic in another direction. You used to be a lot more balanced....>> I don't get it. You think it is a good show. Dave (vbdad) thinks it is a good show. Where is the conflict?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I suppose I thought this: >>>- and the under 10 crowd in the 5000 or so people in the show the don't deserve a 3 minute segment geared towards them while the other racers re set ? c'mon- this is a car stunt show, not Olivier doing Shakespeare here<<< and this: >>>OMG- another toon from a company that made much of it's history producing them..the shock I'm with you RT-- I will see this show again in a few weeks, and I may very well like Herbie better, we'll see...but the entire attraction didn't suddenly become a pile of crapola bewcause of this change. And likely in a few years it will be swapped out for something else to tie into whatever else they have going... See the next thread- tram tires move from goodyear to goodrich --the morons- they have ruined the trams<<< Were my trigger points. I do feel like the show really suffers from it and is another declination by degree that Kevin Yee often writes about. I think my real issue, and to be honest, the McQueen bit is not the real issue. My real issue is Disney used to inspire me, make me feel light the world is good. There is a great big beautiful tomorrow. There is a society to be proud of. There is a new discovery to see in Tomorrowland or Epcot. Or some adventure that we need to go on. I even felt this for a while in adulthood. But the tooning and the reduction in themed environments reminds me of the commercial poison of the world I detest. There is no THERE THERE it seems anymore. I keep searching for it, and occassionally there is a glimmer of hope, dashed out at celebrated by the fan community as an endorsement. And I am sick, I cannot seem to back away from it. I have to see, a compulsion that it is getting better. My demon, I know. I know I sound like a real whack job right now. But I suppose I need that feeling right now. Somewhere. I am losing hope in humanity and struggle to know what to teach my kids.
Originally Posted By MPierce I hope you are done throwing up now Dave. You really shouldn't become so emotionally involved with a concept of what you expect Disney to be. If the crowds start booing during this part of the show, I'll change my opinion.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper You're not nuts Dave. I had less time with the classic Walt Disney World and the classic Disney way, but I still miss it fiercely. I see none of the class and sophistication they used to put into attraction and parks. Instead all I tend to see is a sense of juvenile view point towards everything.
Originally Posted By Bolna <<waiting for mom's cancer results, and a diversion from what I should really be doing which is writing a report to close some much needed social care services and want to hide in my happy place>> Dave, I hope your mother's results will be fine and I can imagine how having to close something down that you believe in must really be a horrible job to do. Even from the outside it is very depressing to hear rather bleak news from the UK after I experienced all the optimism of Cool Britannia when I lived in London in 97. However, I am certain that things can improve. Germany was a very depressing place in the 90s and the early 2000s, and I never thought I would see as much optimism in my country as there is around at the moment. But there it is, no one really knows why and how, but the negative Germans are actually for once optimistic about the future and work for common goals.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I think it would be impossible to view Disney as favorably as you used to because no matter what, you are seeing it through eyes that have seen so much you never wanted to see and are feeling it with a soul that has been trampled by the events of the 21st Century. Back in 2000, even though WDW may not have compared with the glory years, there was reason for hope in the new millennium. Animal Kingdom had just opened and there had been recent investment in both the Studios and Epcot. Reflections of Earth had just opened and Tapestry of Nations, my favorite Disney parade ever, premiered for the 2000 Celebration. The U.S. and much of the world had just experienced the best economic years in history. 9/11 had not happened and your home and the stock market still seemed to be very good investments. It was easy to be hopeful and look forward to the future in so many areas. Now that is all gone. I don't know that it will ever return. And no matter how wonderful WDW becomes, it will not be able to distract us from a disastrous decade.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> <<waiting for mom's cancer results, and a diversion from what I should really be doing which is writing a report to close some much needed social care services and want to hide in my happy place>> << How in the world did I miss this. I still haven't actually found the post it was made in. My thoughts, and prayers go out to you, and your family Dave. I went through the exact same thing, so I know exactly what you are going through now.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> The U.S. and much of the world had just experienced the best economic years in history. 9/11 had not happened and your home and the stock market still seemed to be very good investments. It was easy to be hopeful and look forward to the future in so many areas. Now that is all gone. I don't know that it will ever return. And no matter how wonderful WDW becomes, it will not be able to distract us from a disastrous decade. << I always have hope for the resilence of the human spirit.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Hope things work out for your mom, Dave. Back to the topic... I'm going to springboard from what Doug posted, regarding my post about the real cars vs the animated cars. That's the part that bugs me the most. While I love Herbie and always will (Love Bug was my first exposure to San Francisco as a kid, which has been my home for the past two decades), I can understand bringing in the 'new kids' for the young fans in the audience, especially with Cars 2 hitting the screens later this month. I'm just highly disappointed with the presentation. It comes off very cheap and tacky. The juxtaposition of the real cars that aren't animated to the animated cars on the video screen appears very amateurish. It just looks bad.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Thanks guys, add in a dodgy knee, meds that make me grouchy, two brothers who will be having major surgery this summer, and everything else, I would like to see the mouse produce something that is inspiring. For me, the last two things in WDW were Soarin' and LMA. Toons to me are the antithesis of inspiration. As a kid growing up at Disneyland, it was was Adventureland, New Orleans Square, Frontierland and Tomorrowland that always made me excited for DL. Fantasyland was always a bore (except It's a Small World).
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Agreed, I think I would have preferred a cars M&G outside of LMA, that would have been easier to bite off. I am really nervous with the tackyness of this, that Carsland at DCA will be a disappoinment too.
Originally Posted By Bolna <<I am really nervous with the tackyness of this, that Carsland at DCA will be a disappoinment too.>> Well, I guess you already are aware that it is going to be all about an animated film... I think Carsland will be fine (but then, I also like the Cars area at WDS) because it will not be a mixture of real world and toons. I think if you can really walk into the animated world, it has the ability to transport you somewhere else. While characters mixed with real world stuff makes them just look out of place. So in Carsland all the toony stuff will fit, of course we as the guests won't because we are real, but perhaps we will be able to overlook that. Most guests don't look like they really belong into Frontierland either.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Just because you couldn't go to WDW for a while also does not make you so high and mightly to give Disney a pass either. --- not giving them a pass but I also don't know if I'll like it until I see it -- which I will shortly. I was there last August so it hasn't been that long Dave I'm not as hung up on the toon thing as some-- the Pooh thing replaced an e ticket and did nothing- this is a 2 minute segment of a show where Herbie did little for me anyway
