Originally Posted By MousDad >>There are signs that they want to "build up the armada", so to speak. I think you know what I am referring to. << I want to believe, but honestly I can't. But here's a question: would it, coupled with FLE, be Potteresque in magnitude?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<be Potteresque in magnitude?>> No. There's nothing in the immediate pipeline that can compare to the Boy Who Lived.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer In scope? Why not? In level of theming? We shall see. I would like to think so.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<In scope? Why not? >> Because FJ changed dark rides as we know it, along with having an uber themed land to accompany it. Disney has nothing planned that can mathc the drawing power and technological breakthroughs of FJ.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> Because FJ changed dark rides as we know it, along with having an uber themed land to accompany it. Disney has nothing planned that can mathc the drawing power and technological breakthroughs of FJ.<<< Tech? No, you are right on that. But drawing power? Yeah, Disney can match IoA with something new. >>>Do u 2 sleep? <<< I just got 8 hours of the stuff. I LOVE Summer. Or rather, Night classes.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<But drawing power? Yeah, Disney can match IoA with something new.>> No, they can't EE. There is no property alive at this time that can out-draw HP, save for Star Wars. And unless they do a whole Star Wars land at DHS, they aren't going to shift the attention from WWoHP anytime soon.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>No, they can't EE. There is no property alive at this time that can out-draw HP, save for Star Wars. And unless they do a whole Star Wars land at DHS, they aren't going to shift the attention from WWoHP anytime soon.<<< Are you kidding? Why do you think they have to do something tied to a franchise? If they make their own attraction, theme to the hilt, and promote it as well as Uni has with Potter, they have a contender. Don't think that just because all Disney does these days is franchise related , that's the only way to compete. Bullsh**. That's what got them into this mess. They have always (Until the past 10 years or so.) been able to create something NEW and draw people to it. They can do it again. And just because Uni bought out Harry Potter and used that, doesn't mean that Disney has to dredge up SW to compete as well. Synergy, is not the answer, Hokie....Originality and quality is. Dear God, I HATE synergy.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^You're rant wasn't necessary. But your love for Disney originality blinds you from the fact that when choosing between some original ride at Disney and HP, people are going to pick HP. As Lee has said plenty of times, one attraction isn't going to stand a chance against WWoHP. Now, the plan they had originally as the Potter fighter, with things spread across all the parks to open this/next year would have done the trick. You know I agree with the originality thing, but the drawing power compared to something like Potter just isn't there. And they wouldn't promote one ride as well as Uni does. You should know this. If it wasn't for working there, I would have had no clue TSMM was coming to DHS when it did.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>^^^You're rant wasn't necessary. But your love for Disney originality blinds you from the fact that when choosing between some original ride at Disney and HP, people are going to pick HP. As Lee has said plenty of times, one attraction isn't going to stand a chance against WWoHP. Now, the plan they had originally as the Potter fighter, with things spread across all the parks to open this/next year would have done the trick. You know I agree with the originality thing, but the drawing power compared to something like Potter just isn't there. And they wouldn't promote one ride as well as Uni does. You should know this. If it wasn't for working there, I would have had no clue TSMM was coming to DHS when it did.<<< And your rant is? Way to be hypocritical! ;-) I could also say that your love of HP blinds you from the fact that Disney continuously bested the competition with their brand of stories and creations. One attraction won't do it. You are right. But a land expansion, coupled with SEVERAL other things, might. You know perfectly what I am talking about so don't play dumb here. People come to see what Disney creates, in varying numbers, of course. FLE won't exactly pull in what Potter is doing, but it'll make a dent. Add a few other things with that, I think it WOULD make a dent. If WDW had gone ahead with a 40th Anniversary like they had wanted to do in 2006, or so, that would be real competition. What we are starting to see now, are perhaps the initial scrambles for them to get back on their feet. They wont admit that they are down, but I have a feeling we will start to see some new things. I don't know how right you are on the advertising...I know we might not like the content, but Nightastic promos are EVERYWHERE for the Summer. We know that THAT is happening, for sure. If Disney were to launch something like that, on the national scale, and with quality promotion, they'd be set.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<And your rant is? Way to be hypocritical! ;-) I could also say that your love of HP blinds you from the fact that Disney continuously bested the competition with their brand of stories and creations. >> I wasn't ranting. A rant has all cap letters in it and says it hates something. My love for HP has nothing to do with it. I'm looking at it rationally. <<One attraction won't do it. You are right. But a land expansion, coupled with SEVERAL other things, might. You know perfectly what I am talking about so don't play dumb here. >> No, I know of one additional thing that may or may not happen. An expanded land and one thing still isn't going to do the job, IMO. Especially in one park. <<I don't know how right you are on the advertising...I know we might not like the content, but Nightastic promos are EVERYWHERE for the Summer. We know that THAT is happening, for sure. If Disney were to launch something like that, on the national scale, and with quality promotion, they'd be set. >> But they won't. They haven't in a long, long time. The only commercial I've seen with an attraction is the one from this year with TSMM in it, and that's 2 years after the fact.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> I wasn't ranting. A rant has all cap letters in it and says it hates something. My love for HP has nothing to do with it. I'm looking at it rationally.<<< So a strong opinion and aggressive writing style make it a rant? Cool. I'm ranting. Neither of us are looking at it rationally, to be honest. You have your opinion, I have mine. You want rational, we need a 3rd party in here. >>> No, I know of one additional thing that may or may not happen. An expanded land and one thing still isn't going to do the job, IMO. Especially in one park. <<< I can think of 3 pending things for the MK that would make it a contender for HP. One we know of, FLE. The other two are pending behind the scenes. I can think of one thing for DHS- Star Tours- which could not contend on it's own, but with MK at it's best, it certainly isn't hurting. I can think of a few things for EPCOT, but knowing EPCOT's track record, we will have to wait for those. I can think of something huge for DAK, that should be half way constructed, now. However, it isn't. Like EPCOT, a crying shame. However, I think having one park with several new, "large" things, and having DHS support that with something already demanded by guests, is a pretty good way to compete with Uni.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^^I don't see more than one thing happening at MK, other than FLE. by the time both would be completed. one? Yes. But the secodn wouldn't be built in a time frame to consider it a competition. And Epcot and DAK are dead in the water for new stuff, IMO. I don't see anything happening at either of them for a long, long time.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^^^ And of course, let's see if they actually do these things. If not, by all means, consider that Uni has won, and Disney really has no idea what's going on outside the Purple Gates.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper More discounts...yay! <<The following dining locations are giving out coupons on receipts for 20% off merchandise at select locations through July 24 2010. The coupon is valid between 9am and midday. Merchandise locations: Magic Kingdom - The Emporium Epcot - Mouse Gear Disney's Animal Kingdom - Island Mercantile Disney's Hollywood Studios - Mickey's of Hollywood and Keystone Clothiers Downtown Disney Marketplace - World of Disney Magic Kingdom dining locations offering the coupon: Main Street Bakery Casey's Corner Cosmic Ray's Starlight Café Pinocchio Village Haus Columbia Harbour House >>
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^We're stuck in the middle of a deflationary economy for non essentials as cash is king these days. Without something to really draw the crowds discounting at WDW will be par for the course for the immediate future.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper I know. And I really don't have a big problem with the discounts. I just think it's hilarious that Iger said they were getting rid of the discounts this year, and yet here we are.
Originally Posted By SeventyOne ^^<We're stuck in the middle of a deflationary economy for non essentials as cash is king these days. Without something to really draw the crowds discounting at WDW will be par for the course for the immediate future.> And yet in a little over a month Universal has sold out of Pigmy Puffs, various wands, Butterbeer mugs, $300 brooms... Apparently if you offer non essentials not available at your local Wal-Mart, you can make a tidy little profit in Orlando. BTW, not sure if HobieSkipper's post got cut off, but coupons are being offered in EPCOT, too, and I presume the other two parks.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<And yet in a little over a month Universal has sold out of Pigmy Puffs, various wands, Butterbeer mugs, $300 brooms... >> Yup. They're got a cash cow on their hands. And they'll eb getting money from me next week, along with friends' money. I can't tell you how many people are giving me money to buy stuff for them while I'm there. <<BTW, not sure if HobieSkipper's post got cut off, but coupons are being offered in EPCOT, too, and I presume the other two parks.>> I must have missed that. I figured they were in the other parks, but I only say the MK eateries.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> I know. And I really don't have a big problem with the discounts. I just think it's hilarious that Iger said they were getting rid of the discounts this year, and yet here we are.<<< Nor do I. Gets my parents to go back. And yeah, shows how Iger really has no idea.
