Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt *raises hand* Mr. Know It All.... er .... Mousy what other Disney show has fire in it? How do those presentations compare to what we've seen of the fire effects in WoC? I'm unaware of any show that Disney does that has more fire.
Originally Posted By mousermerf This is the World of Color's fire abilit being tested: <a href="http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2010/01/world-of-color-behind-the-h2o-the-journey-begins/" target="_blank">http://disneyparks.disney.go.c...-begins/</a> It looks more impressive when they change the lighting in the show, but it's not actually a very powerful fire effect. This is the inferno barge doing it's nightly scheduled burn-off: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkHhdqfk4D4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...hdqfk4D4</a> It's a more powerful effect.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It's more concentrated in one place as opposed to spread out along the lagoon - one is more intense, one covers a greater area - six of one, half a dozen of the other to me. What's weird is this strange sort of peeing contest going on about a show that hasn't even opened yet. "My effect is bigger than your effect," essentially... when it isn't even any person here's effect.
Originally Posted By mousermerf <<<The Resort is not a show mousermerf...>>> Walt Disney would smack you upside the head for saying that.
Originally Posted By yamabuki >>This is the World of Color's fire abilit being tested: <a href="http://disneyparks.disney.go.c...-begins/" target="_blank">http://disneyparks.disney.go.c...-begins/</a> It looks more impressive when they change the lighting in the show, but it's not actually a very powerful fire effect. << Those are some of the fire effects. The video doesn't feature the moving flame whips, or the 80 ft. telescoping tower with fire effects. Disney said it, not me - the show has more fire than any other Disney show in the world. And I agree with Dabob2 - the show hasn't even premiered yet. At least wait until you see the full show before you start criticizing it.
Originally Posted By Westsider I've always thought that the burn-off thing that Epcot does at night with Guests still in the park is not only really cheesy, it's really lame. Why exactly do they need to do that rather mundane maintenance task while Guests are still in the park? And the cheesy, super-super-cheesy, countdown lady trying to calm people down and turn it into some anti-climatic "kiss goodnight" is just too hilarious to believe. It's tacky, and not good Show, and should be done after the park is clear of Guests. Althought, for groups of Disneyland Cast Members who have been drinking around the World, it's a highlight of the night where we all help count down to Orlando's lowered Show standards. I do appreciate that mousermerf is trying to use that as an example of how WDW has bigger fire effects in their aging 1990's night spectaculars though. You gotta admire the guys spunk.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "This is the inferno barge doing it's nightly scheduled burn-off:" That was dumb.
Originally Posted By Westsider It's way dumb. Here's the latest spiel they've recorded for it. It's a different lady doing it now. And you always get a few cheeseball tourists excited to see it who whoop and holler and yell "Fire! Fire!". <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1gZtY4vHIA&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...=related</a>
Originally Posted By socalkdg The barge is so far off you don't feel any of the heat, plus it looks very small. Its been mentioned that you can feel the heat of the fire at DCA. It is also much closer to the audience. Off topic but they are removing Backdraft at Universal for Transformers, yes? Really liked Backdraft. Now that was some heat that you could feel. Great to watch after getting wet at Jurrasic Park.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<the burn-off thing that Epcot does at night with Guests still in the park is not only really cheesy, it's really lame. >> Yup, it's lame. Honestly, I don't even think the fire in IllumiNations is that special. Yeah, it's a big, but so what? The cool thing about what Disney is doing with flame in WoC is that it's choreographed...the fire moves and dances.
Originally Posted By danyoung Wow - I don't even begin to understand the problem you guys have with the burn-off in Epcot. It used to be done with no fanfare at all, and people all over freaked out because they thought something had gone wrong. So they added an audio track to it, to play to the maybe 200 people still left in the park. And it has to be done there, in the open of the lagoon, before taking the globe backstage into more confined areas. Sure, they could wait till the park was swept of people, but that would mean keeping a crew on the clock for at least another hour, just sitting around and wasting money while they were waiting. I think it's kind of a cool thing, even though I have yet to see it live (all them martinis just make me need to go to bed quicker!).
Originally Posted By tashajilek I dont know why people are arguing about WOC? Even if a show may or not be better somewhere else doesnt even matter. Im glad DCA will finally have its own show that could be comparable to fantasmic, its better then having nothing. Sometimes this site should be called B*tchingplace
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I don't even begin to understand the problem you guys have with the burn-off in Epcot>> I don't have a problem with it, I just don't see it being compared to WoC's effects. Mousy says it's impressive comparatively; I disagree.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Well, you have people here saying you can't feel the heat at Epcot - which is patently untrue. I showed the burn-off because if I showed the show I'd be accused of showing the "show" while DCA only has test footage. If you put the inferno barge in DCA's lagoon you'd kill people in the viewing area. Are you forgetting that Epcot's lagoon is bigger then most of DCA? Listen - I understand you all like to talk nonsense and support each other in that endeavor, but could you at least bother showing the facts and proof you claim exists? Disney says it's the most fire - well, where? And by what measure? The inferno barge is burning more fuel and letting out a bigger fireball then the effects do at DCA. How many nozzles does DCA have? I know how many the inferno barge has - so bring it. Show up with some facts. How much horse power is produced? Again, I know that for the inferno barge and it's not some dead-wrong observation third person "they say you can feel the heat at DCA but you can't at Epcot." C'mon - nozzles and horsepower? Anyone..?
Originally Posted By yamabuki The only one talking nonsense here is you. You're trying to start a debate over a show that hasn't opened yet.. Everyone else can see how ridiculous that is. And my goodness - talk about plugging Epcot into every single post! If you ask me, that's borderline trolling.
Originally Posted By mousermerf So you don't know where Disney supposedly claimed it had the most fire, can't reference it, and essentially misspoke but are unwilling to admit it?
Originally Posted By yamabuki Ha - nice try. Steven Davison said it at the D23 Expo presentation. I paraphrase, more fire than any other show in Disney history. Only reason I didn't bring it up is because this whole fire discussion is dragging on for too long and is pointless. Moving on..
Originally Posted By mousermerf So while we have actual facts about RoE there's none to be had about WoC and he could have misspoken? Considering the barge wasn't even finished being built when they had the expo - it's kind of hard to say just how much fire the show will have.
Originally Posted By danyoung >he inferno barge is burning more fuel and letting out a bigger fireball then the effects do at DCA.< You're probably right about this. Does it matter in the slightest? Not at all. Fire effects aren't simply about the amount of fuel consumed or the size of the fireball. It's about how they're used within the context of the show. I haven't watched the entire show clip that's online, but I have seen the testing of the fire nozzles, and they really looks impressive. Of course, we all have to wait and see what the reality is, so arguing about a show effect that has yet to debut is completely pointless, like most of your posts, merf.
