Originally Posted By mousermerf That's just it dan - it exists. It's not some theoretical machine we're talking about. It burns fuel and produces horse power. Before RoE launched they made a big big deal about the inferno barge which is exactly why we have statistics about its power. An offhanded comment before the rig was built or used about "most fire" does not trump the facts of the situation. I'm willing to accept it's more powerful if anyone can provide any sort of proof. Seeing it in the show is not in any way preventing knowledge of how much fuel it burns, the number of nozzles, and the horse power it creates. Otherwise, we'd not know the number of water fountain nozzles in the show - which we do. More fountainy then RoE? Certainly, we have numbers to support that aside from the obvious visual. More firepower? Don't make that claim unless you can back it up.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Oh brother. If Davison said WOC would have more fire than any other Disney show, that was a fine source for yamabuki to use. And since you're so in love with the technical, to be technical the barge thing isn't even really a proper Disney "show." So even if there's more there for that brief second, Davison would still be right. But danyoung has the best point. The sheer firepower doesn't matter so much as how it's used. Are they used in an artistic way? Or do they just sort of blow stuff up? The effects in your average blow-em-up buddy cop movie may be impressive from a technical standpoint, but if they're not at the service of a good movie, so what?
Originally Posted By mousermerf Oh brother, I already explained why I used the barge doing it's burn-off, but your reading comprehension skills are obviously lacking.
Originally Posted By danyoung >An offhanded comment before the rig was built or used about "most fire" does not trump the facts of the situation. I'm willing to accept it's more powerful if anyone can provide any sort of proof.< Let me repeat myself, and maybe you'll pay enough attention this time to let a thought or two sink in. NOBODY CARES! Nobody but you seems to be the slightest bit worried about which platform has the bigger use of fire. I said it before - you may be entirely right that the RoE fire barge uses more propane and has a bigger fire ball. But I've seen it many many times, and while I love the show, the fire is really just a big gout of fire. It's a wonderful effect for that show, but it's not that tricky or arty or fancy in any way - just a big ball of fire. From what I've seen the new DCA show with its multiple jets under computer control will be a pretty spectacular thing. But is it better than RoE? Nobody knows till the show comes out, and NOBODY CARES BUT YOU!
Originally Posted By danyoung And should anyone really care, here's the entire Steve Davison presentation, where he may or may not say that WoC's fire show will be bigger than anything ever seen - <a href="http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/09/d23-expo-steven-davison-world-of-color.html" target="_blank">http://disneyandmore.blogspot....lor.html</a>
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "If you ask me, that's borderline trolling." No kidding. It's no surprise that Mousemerf has gotten into trouble before in other forums based. Seriously, Mousy, you should tone down the baiting and personal attacks and stick to supporting your point of view with reasonable arguments. Your act is getting tiresome.
Originally Posted By mousermerf dan - you don't speak for the world, nor the universe. Heck, you don't even speak for a small island. My so-called baiting and personal attacks are nothing compared to effort your folks put into trying to silence me. You say you don't care, then why all the effort to disprove me, and often you fail at that, to simply silence me?
Originally Posted By mousermerf I'm countering an assertion which has no factual basis. You're joining in the fight because you don't want me to speak. Which is the more noble cause? Which party is acting out entirely because of spite? You could simply stop posting yourself if, as you say, you don't care.
Originally Posted By danyoung A man stands on a busy street corner and yells "THERE'S A FIRE, AND WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!" Someone pauses and tells him that there's no fire, and he continues to yell about the fire. More people gather, trying to calm him down and tell him that there's no fire. He keeps on yelling that there's a fire, and then adds to his routine "WHY ARE YOU ALL TRYING TO SILENCE ME? I'M TELLING YOU - THERE'S A FIRE AND WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!" Sound familiar to anyone?
Originally Posted By danyoung And just for the record, we had a nice discussion going on about the merits of different shows until you, merf, threw this attack out in post 20 - >Exactly what fact are you referring to and distorting to fit your agenda?< It's amazing that you see your statements as absolute fact, while the statements of others MUST be distortion to fit agendas. It's just a frikkin' discussion, with people sharing their opinions. All of mine aren't right or wrong, and all of yours aren't right or wrong. Just opinions.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "And I agree with Dabob2 - the show hasn't even premiered yet. At least wait until you see the full show before you start criticizing it." Seriously, what are the chances that mousemerf will change his opinion? He's got so much invested in disliking the show, that at this point, his opinion will never change. "My so-called baiting and personal attacks are nothing compared to effort your folks put into trying to silence me." You can climb down off that cross any time you want.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Oh brother, I already explained why I used the barge doing it's burn-off, but your reading comprehension skills are obviously lacking.> No, your logic skills need remedial classes. And no one's trying to "silence" you. Pointing out your arguments are faulty is not the same thing; try to learn the difference.
Originally Posted By Westsider Many nights on Fantasmic they have pyro effects that misfire and sit unused on the barges. Or if a show suffers a cancellation for whatever reason the barges contain the full fleet of pyro shells. Tech Services has to dispose of those shells by firing them off in a controlled and very quick sequence of firings. This happens about once a week on average, sometimes more. They NEVER fire off the unused pyro while Disneyland is still open with Guests, even when it's late and there are just a few dozen teenagers wandering back from Splash Mountain. Tech Services waits until the park is cleared of all Guests, and then they fire off the leftover Fantasmic pyro on the island. The Tech Services guys get paid OT to wait around a few hours to do this rather simple task. It's called Good Show. It costs a bit more, but it's worth it. When Disneylanders go to WDW for our cheap drinking vacations, we find all sorts of hilarious ways that Orlando management totally fails. The Inferno Barge blowoff every night is one of them.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<When Disneylanders go to WDW for our cheap drinking vacations, we find all sorts of hilarious ways that Orlando management totally fails.>> It's sad that the Disney Company doesn't hold all of its theme parks to the same "show" standards, and instead lets the local management team dictate what is "good show" for each resort. There really should be some top-down mandates that all the resorts will be run in a similar fashion, with similar high standards for quality.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I've never worked with pyro, but it sounds like you can't just save Wednesday's shells for Thursday's show if Wednesday's show is cancelled. Is that right, Westsider? How come? Is the shelf life that short? Seems a waste. I understand misfires - you wouldn't want to re-use, and need to dispose of in a way you're sure it won't ignite after all in an unsafe way. But why shells from a cancelled show?
Originally Posted By Manfried Let's hope the quality level folks are seeing in California gets translated to here in Florida.
Originally Posted By danyoung >The Tech Services guys get paid OT to wait around a few hours to do this rather simple task.< I don't think it's a bad thing at all for DL to do this. But I just don't see that it's bad show for Epcot to do the blowoff out in the lagoon. It's become something of an event to see it happen, and the bulk of the corwds have gone, leaving only us late-nighters who would enjoy something like that. I don't see it as bad show at all, so I gues we differ on what makes bad show in this case, Westsider.
