Originally Posted By oc_dean Can I say something? These polls matter because........????? What matters is the electoral map. And most specifically the battle-ground states. The polls don't seem to matter.
Originally Posted By mawnck These polls matter because they prove that the Dems are going to throw this thing away (AGAIN!) if they don't do a lot better. Here's someone else who thinks so ... <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-mckay/were-gonna-frickin-lose-t_b_124772.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...772.html</a>
Originally Posted By Elderp The polls do matter because they indicate that there are 10 battle ground states that are step away from turning over. The Dems are really close to throwing this thing away.
Originally Posted By Mr X Second person who has said "throwing this away". Interesting. The nasty and negative McCain attacks on Obama and his supposed "celebrity" had nothing to do with it right? Not to mention gambling on an unknown who is both nasty and perky at the same time, but who hasn't revealed ANYTHING on her policies or positions. How exactly have the democrats "thrown it away"? By not fighting nasty with nasty? Probably, and it's too bad. But it also says a lot (again) about the other side.
Originally Posted By Elderp I will grant you I haven't heard much about Palin's issues, but like I said I haven't heard much about Obama's issues. Unlike, Palin Obama IS running on the top spot. Negative ads don't really concern me, both side uses them. I will give credit that I think the Republicans use them more than the Democrats do, but it is all really hogwash. As an independant I want to hear the issues.
Originally Posted By barboy ///If McCain/Palin gets to appoint two of their own to be their replacements, kiss Roe v. Wade goodbye, and try and ensure no one you know gets raped./// I can see the mode of posters out there come up with that but there is no excuse for you to do it--- you know that: 1) all appointees have to survive senatorial ratification and the senate has to answer to their clients (constituents) who in turn favor the availability of abortions 2) newly appointed US judges may very well change their political colors--- it happens 3) states will bow, like they have for centuries, to 'popular sovereignty' which is dominated by those who want to keep abortion available Abortion is not going anywhere irrespective of a Mickeal Moore president or a Pat Robertson.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>How exactly have the democrats "thrown it away"? By not fighting nasty with nasty? << Partly. The Repubs now have a candidate who is talking turkey and getting specific about the sort of change he is for, and a VP who is a bigger Rock Star than Obama ever was. Generic speeches about "I was for change first" aren't even going to be noticed in this situation. The Dems job now is to take back the news cycle by any means necessary. They've got to get back on offense, and they're blowing it big-time. My strategy would be to have Obama up the media appearances and stop talking in speechwriter jargon, and send Hillary out to be the official assassinate Palin person - IE make statements so vicious that the news media will be clamboring to report on the dirt she's slinging. I call it the Paris vs. Lindsay plan. Or Duff vs. Lavigne. Whatever. Just somebody PLEASE take this Alaskan loony on before they elect HER President. >>But it also says a lot (again) about the other side.<< Yep. It says they're gonna win this election (again).
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>By not fighting nasty with nasty?<< This is a joke, right? The Democrats haven't been spending any time at all on anything negative? All that Sarah Palin crud out there is being generated by Auto-bots, right? I honestly think that the sudden resurgence of McCain's candidacy has created a total lack of perspective on the left. It's a black/white world, the right is pure ignorance and evil, and the left is just too good and kind to dare oppose it. What a load.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***This is a joke, right?*** No. ***The Democrats haven't been spending any time at all on anything negative?*** Directly from the campaign? No. That's McCain's territory. And he does it well (guess he learned from experience, back when he was the poor sap being bludgeoned).
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I honestly think that the sudden resurgence of McCain's candidacy has created a total lack of perspective on the left. It's a black/white world, the right is pure ignorance and evil, and the left is just too good and kind to dare oppose it. What a load.<< On this at least, you are absolutely correct. That's why we'll be saying President Palin in a couple years. The Dems are blind to the real reasons the Repubs are surging right now. They have 2 months to figure it out and counter it.
Originally Posted By Mrs ElderP fivethirtyeight has Obama down slightly since Sunday, but still far ahead on the elctoral map, and squeaking ahead on the popular vote. <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/" target="_blank">http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/</a> (Meaningless bonus points for those who can cite why an election site would be called 538. *grin*)
Originally Posted By dshyates "(Meaningless bonus points for those who can cite why an election site would be called 538. *grin*)" Its the number of electors in the electoral college.
Originally Posted By Mrs ElderP and dshyates gets the NOPRIZE!! I find the polling facinating, including all the senarios on the site (Chance of winning w/out Ohio, Chance of winning w/out Ohin or Penn... ect.) better than basball box scores!
Originally Posted By oc_dean Okay .. so lets talk polls .. Oh .. And why is McCain up a bit? Oh yeah ... it's because the Reps are still flying high on Palin's FABULOUS speech. Oh, that's a real good way to get a sense they're "The Ticket". Real smart America!
