Originally Posted By DAR <<Or if your spouse is the evil Cheney.>> I do wonder what his stance is on gay marriage, considering Mary Cheney.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 He's actually on record as saying it should be left to the states. That's to the left of many, who want the Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage. Bush pandered in 2004, saying he wanted the amendment, then promptly never brought up again. Which leads me to believe he never really wanted it, though he doesn't support gay marriage in general (a stance that describes many others).
Originally Posted By gadzuux Today's Morford column is about Laura Bush, and his take is similar to mine, only much harsher. Maybe that's why I like him so much. <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/05/14/notes051410.DTL" target="_blank">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...1410.DTL</a> [excerpt] And over here we've got what we can only hope will be the final nationwide appearance of any kind whatsoever of one dangerously prim, heavily shellacked Laura Bush, trotting herself out like some sort of equestrian trophy on Larry King Live to shill for her new book, "Shut Up and Sit Quietly, You're Just a Woman" -er, "Spoken from the Heart." Just so we're clear on some details, oh sweet, pitiable Laura: You had, back in 2000, two young, party-riffic twentysomething daughters, you were, for better or worse, the default role model for women everywhere, you were the emblem for female freedom and feminine empowerment to a hundred nations, and you... did what now? Lied outright? Lived in quiet denial? Slaughtered your own core beliefs? Kept your second-class Southern wife mouth shut tight and sat by quietly while the men did the "real" thinking? You sacrificed your own daughters to the sweaty altar of Karl Rove and the fundamentalist anti-choicers? I see. Oh sweet Laura, it is very likely you are going to hell.
Originally Posted By Labuda "She was on Oprah last week and it was mentioned she's a Bob Marley fan. You like Bob Marley you get a positive mark in my book." Bob Marley the late reggae musician, or Bob Marley the current living comedian from Maine?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Of course, Morford would have not liked it had she spoken up against gay marriage or against choice. He'd have told her to shut her yap, nobody voted for her anyway. Oy, this is why liberalism eventually sends me running into the street, screaming in frustration.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Bob Marley the late reggae musician, or Bob Marley the current living comedian from Maine?>> The former.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Why is the President's wife the default role model for women everywhere? And, if she is, was Clinton the default rolemodel for men everywhere and should I model my behavior after his? I've got a couple of cute interns that work for me.
Originally Posted By ecdc Yeah, I think that editorial is making an awful lot of assumptions about Laura Bush. We all weigh consequences and make judgments about how far to go with expressing our beliefs. I've got a pretty big mouth, but even I restrain myself from saying some things in my work place or at family gatherings because my judgment tells me it would cause larger problems than it's worth. Laura Bush may not be as "political" as a lot of us. She may not be so invested in her pro-choice or pro-gay marriage views that it's worth it to her to cause her husband grief. Like it or not, we all make those kinds of calls. Also known as, Why I don't talk about religion at my in-laws
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///If your spouse is Shrub, then I think it's a very cool thing to do. Or if your spouse is the evil Cheney./// If you are married and you love and/or respect your spouse you wouldn't publicly embarrass him(her), would you? I disagree with Wife about her extreme born-again right wing Christian fundamentalist "I send money to Pat Robertson" ways but I'm not going to embarrass her among others at a Bible study or in front of the entire congregation by voicing up that I am agnostic at heart. Staying on the sidelines or keeping quiet is a better approach for smooth interpersonal relations. She puts up with me and I have to put up with things I find disturbing(such as her faith ways)--- that is the way marriage is at times. But I will not contradict/embarrass her in public. Assuming she cared for and respected her man Laura Bush did the right thing.
Originally Posted By barboy2 I didn't mean to exclude or not answer you, mele......what I wrote was for you too.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Assuming she cared for and respected her man Laura Bush did the right thing." Which raises the question how far would you go to protect the interests of your spouse even if you vehemently disagreed with his or her political views. I've got to believe that Laura isn't all that passionate about LGBT or abortion rights, otherwise we would have heard about this long before she had a book to peddle. The columnist is right; she's a doormat.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Which raises the question how far would you go to protect the interests of your spouse even if you vehemently disagreed with his or her political views.>> As the song says: The things we do for love. (Chorus)The things we do for love.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper My wife hold her tongue out of respect for my and I take the blame for everything that goes wrong in our house out of respet for her...and to keep sane.
Originally Posted By Labuda "If you are married and you love and/or respect your spouse you wouldn't publicly embarrass him(her), would you?" I know parents aren't by any means the same as spouses, but I *have* called my Mom out before when I felt she was making racist comments. So, yes, if I disagree with something I hear and feel that someone is unnecessarily denigrating another person's race or sexual orientation, then I *will* call them on it. Every time. I don't care WHO it is. Wrong is wrong, regardless who says it.
Originally Posted By Labuda Oh, and in case anyone doubts it - I love and respect my mother. VERY much. But, I also know she's human and has faults just like everyone else who's ever walked on this planet.
